metal detector installation

[EOD K9]

There not enough trained people in the world to protect all of the people and public places just in the USA, let alone the rest of the world. And, I have no desire to live in a world where everywhere I go I feel like I am in a militarized zone. That level of "protection" would definitely keep me from going to WDW, sporting events, etc. It would be time to get out of the city and go live off the land. When we feel we need that type of protection, the terrorists have won - we have lost our freedom.

I hear what you are saying, my point is that if there are five or six officers just off to the side and/or out of sight, they are better able to deal with a situation than one or nobody present.

 

[UncleMike101]

no such thing, totally rid... anytime someone has an absolute belief that they have to push onto someone else, there will be someone that disagrees, and the more that disagree the more likely one or more from that number will turn to violence to remove the instigator.

People will always disagree.
But.....
When they use violence to enforce their beliefs on us we have the right to counter with whatever violence is needed to eradicate them.
Completely!!
The Brussels terrorists showed no mercy to their victims, and their comrades deserve absolutely no mercy when we locate them.
And it's not vengeance that drives us, it's self preservation.
Either we, or they, must die.
I support making them die!

 

[fngoofy]

 

[draybook]

That is your opinion. If the process catches just one person trying to sneak something in, or prevents a tragedy...I'm for it.

No, it's common sense, not my opinion. There's more likely to be an attack at a point like the ferry boat or DtD, where it's easier to be unnoticed and a larger mass of casualties is guaranteed. I seriously don't know how people fall in line with the thinking of "well, if it prevents blah blah blah". You really think that them screening one person every 3 minutes while thousands pour in is going to prevent a tragedy?

 

[draybook]

Our safety bubble has popped. Since 9/11 our safe little world is no longer safe. I welcome being checked as long as everyone is checked. I welcome being checked when I run Disney races as well. We all need to keep a sharp eye out because as long as there are those who wish to kill and or injure we need to be vigilant.

Our world was unsafe long before 9/11. What I don't understand is how many people here don't seem to grasp that TERRORISTS intent on doing something at a place like Disney World aren't going to use prohibited and/or detectable materials. Heck, 9/11 was done using boxcutters and planes. To heck with it, I give up debating with people who seem intent on burying their heads in the sand "in the name of safety".

 

[Matt_Black]

People will always disagree.
But.....
When they use violence to enforce their beliefs on us we have the right to counter with whatever violence is needed to eradicate them.
Completely!!
The Brussels terrorists showed no mercy to their victims, and their comrades deserve absolutely no mercy when we locate them.
And it's not vengeance that drives us, it's self preservation.
Either we, or they, must die.
I support making them die!

So, should we go to Ireland and round up surviving members of the IRA first? They've been on the lam a lot longer than the Brussels folks.

 

[UncleMike101]

So, should we go to Ireland and round up surviving members of the IRA first? They've been on the lam a lot longer than the Brussels folks.

You go right ahead.
I'll just stay in the U.S. and direct my concerns to current problems facing us today.
God knows we wouldn't want to interrupt your quest to resolve so many of the pasts inadequacies.
BTW.
Utilizing misdirection in an attempt to sway the views of others is a very ineffective tool of debate and most commonly used by those with no true facts pertaining to the issue at hand.
Like Politicians......

 

[Matt_Black]

You go right ahead.
I'll just stay in the U.S. and direct my concerns to current problems facing us today.
God knows we wouldn't want to interrupt your quest to resolve so many of the pasts inadequacies.
BTW.
Utilizing misdirection in an attempt to sway the views of others is a very ineffective tool of debate and most commonly used by those with no true facts pertaining to the issue at hand.
Like Politicians......

You were the one who said ALL terrorists need to be eliminated. I was just asking for clarification as to whether that includes the IRA.

 

[DisneyCane]

I for one, would have no problems with everyone getting screened at the parks. If all guests were screened properly, I say bring it.

The TSA can't even properly screen people. Take a look at the results of their own testing. There is a close to zero chance that Disney security can "properly" screen people.

Also, unless you put up big, ugly concrete walls, there are many places that you can slip a weapon to somebody that has already passed through security.

The TSA is, in large part, "security theatre." Anything Disney does is a "security illusion."

Unfortunately, there is really no way to stop an attack by somebody that is willing and/or desires to die during an attack. You may be able to alter where they attack (the Ferry vs. Main St.) but you can't prevent it.

 

[The Mom]

Just a reminder about the no political rants rule.

 

[DisneyFans4Life]

No, it's common sense, not my opinion. There's more likely to be an attack at a point like the ferry boat or DtD, where it's easier to be unnoticed and a larger mass of casualties is guaranteed. I seriously don't know how people fall in line with the thinking of "well, if it prevents blah blah blah". You really think that them screening one person every 3 minutes while thousands pour in is going to prevent a tragedy?

I think that when everyone gets screened, it could prevent a tragedy. We can agree to disagree on the matter though.

 

[DisneyCane]

I think that when everyone gets screened, it could prevent a tragedy. We can agree to disagree on the matter though.

You can't really agree to disagree on a point like that. The facts disagree with you. Everybody gets screened at an airport and look what happened in Brussels. Unless you think it is a tragedy to have an attack on Main St. and not a tragedy on a ferry.

To repeat from my other reply, unfortunately, there is really no way to stop an attack by somebody that is willing and/or desires to die during an attack. You may be able to alter where they attack (the Ferry vs. Main St.) but you can't prevent it.

 

[Vaughn4380]

An update for this thread: Due to the different answers I was finding on the various discussion forums, I sent an email to Disney World's customer service (guest.mail@wdw.disneyonline.com) asking about the policy for pocket knives now that the metal detectors were installed. This past Friday (4/15/16) I received a call from Vicki at Walt Disney World customer service. She said that she was forwarded my email and had contacted the security department directly to get me an answer. The official response from Walt Disney World Security is that small folding pocket knives with a blade length of 3 inches or less are allowable under Disney World policy. Of course this does not change the official "no weapons" policy Disney World has in place, but small folding pocket knives with a blade length of 3 inches or less are not considered weapons by Disney World Security.

I did not ask about any other parks so I would not consider this information to be relevant to those parks, just Disney World.

A previous poster mentioned a security guard using his ID badge to measure a blade, I am guessing the ID badge is around 3 inches long and makes the policy easy to enforce without the need for a ruler. So there you have it, I was impressed Vicki took the time to call rather than respond with some vague email. Hope this helps anyone else with the same question.

 

[mimitchi33]

They were there when I went to Magic Kingdom a second time on April 9, 2016. My dad had to go through it, but for some reason, he's always picked to go through the ones at airports as well...

 

[EOD K9]

You can't really agree to disagree on a point like that. The facts disagree with you. Everybody gets screened at an airport and look what happened in Brussels. Unless you think it is a tragedy to have an attack on Main St. and not a tragedy on a ferry.

To repeat from my other reply, unfortunately, there is really no way to stop an attack by somebody that is willing and/or desires to die during an attack. You may be able to alter where they attack (the Ferry vs. Main St.) but you can't prevent it.

Just as an FYI, the attackers detonated their devices in the check in area. They were away from where any of their luggage would have been subject to security screening. That is some of the scrubbed info I can give you from a secure website without giving too much away.

 

[DisneyCane]

Just as an FYI, the attackers detonated their devices in the check in area. They were away from where any of their luggage would have been subject to security screening. That is some of the scrubbed info I can give you from a secure website without giving too much away.

That was pretty much my point. The screening may have change the location of the attack/tragedy but it didn't prevent the attack. At Disney, if you implemented a military base style screening where you screened anything and everything going into the park perimeter, you'd still have a ton of locations with large crowds that could be attacked.

Airport security is designed to prevent attacks on planes, not to make airports a safe location. Using that goal, the security worked in Brussels. If the goal of security at Disney was to prevent attacks inside the parks, you could possibly do that. You can't prevent all attacks on the property.

At the end of the day, does it matter if a terrorist detonates a bomb on Main Street during Wishes vs. detonating one at the monorail station with hoards of people crammed together waiting to leave after Wishes?

 

[EOD K9]

@DisneyCane Ok, I didn't know where you were going with that, if you thought the attacks were after screening or not. You are correct in your statement about locations. Any event (terror, crime etc) could take place anywhere in the perimeter, and the headline would read "Insert Act Here Happened in Disney World".

 

[UncleMike101]

@DisneyCane Ok, I didn't know where you were going with that, if you thought the attacks were after screening or not. You are correct in your statement about locations. Any event (terror, crime etc) could take place anywhere in the perimeter, and the headline would read "Insert Act Here Happened in Disney World".

And the fact that the press would sensationalize an incident at, or anywhere near, Disney to the full extent of their fertile, but inaccurate, imaginations is something that terrorists plan to capitalize on and use in their recruiting programs.
They could commit an act of terror anywhere within sight of Orlando and the dip sticks in the media would fawn and faint claiming that "Disney was attacked today."
When the First Amendment was written it was supposed to protect the right of the Press to fairly report the news to all Americans.
It was in NO way intended to be a vehicle for the Press to create, embellish, or alter, the news to fit their agenda.

 

[PhotoDave219]

That was pretty much my point. The screening may have change the location of the attack/tragedy but it didn't prevent the attack. At Disney, if you implemented a military base style screening where you screened anything and everything going into the park perimeter, you'd still have a ton of locations with large crowds that could be attacked.

Airport security is designed to prevent attacks on planes, not to make airports a safe location. Using that goal, the security worked in Brussels. If the goal of security at Disney was to prevent attacks inside the parks, you could possibly do that. You can't prevent all attacks on the property.

At the end of the day, does it matter if a terrorist detonates a bomb on Main Street during Wishes vs. detonating one at the monorail station with hoards of people crammed together waiting to leave after Wishes?

You've got a disturbing imagination

 

[fillerup]

This may well have happened before and I missed it, but all guests at AK today, 5/6, were going through the detectors.

Went pretty quickly (until my wife set off the alarm) but required a lot of personnel.

As long as they're going to continue this, this is as it should be - all or none.