McGuire and Raimi sook to be out and Spidey 4 dead!

lebeau

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Still sounds like Sony spin and PR. Do you know someone that works there?

Do you work for Sony? :lol:

Anyway, we will see. As I said, the character seems played out to me. I really don't see what they can do to make it fresh again if they are actually going forward with the franchise. If they are actually proceeding, it almost seems like a desperate attempt to cling to the franchise and to keep it from Disney. But everyone has overdosed on 3D pixie dust at this point so reason is not in play. :dazzle:

I used to work for Sony. But that was when they were still wrangling over the rights for Spider-man. I left before the first movie was even released. So I have no bias for Disney or Sony in this. I just know how these things work out.

I do agree with you about someone having overdosed on pixie dust though... :lookaroun
 

jt04

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I used to work for Sony. But that was when they were still wrangling over the rights for Spider-man. I left before the first movie was even released. So I have no bias for Disney or Sony in this. I just know how these things work out.

I do agree with you about someone having overdosed on pixie dust though... :lookaroun

I'm just being a realist. :lookaroun
 

SirGoofy

Member
Bad comparison... Hulk was a widely hated movie and Incredible Hulk is a better received movie. Hulk didn't have 2 sequels.

No, great comparison. Spider-man 3 was 100x more hated than Hulk, and it shows how a movie can be done as a reboot without showing the origin, which is what will be done for the new Spidey.
 

lebeau

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No, great comparison. Spider-man 3 was 100x more hated than Hulk, and it shows how a movie can be done as a reboot without showing the origin, which is what will be done for the new Spidey.

Ang Lee's Hulk may be a better movie than Spider-man 3. But if I had to choose, I'd rather watch Spidey 3 again than sit through Lee's Hulk. Heck, I'd rather watch Batman and Robin again. And I think Batman and Robin is the worst super hero attrocity ever made. Ang Lee's Hulk was just unbelievably boring and self-important. (Superman Returns had the same problems.)

Btw, Incredible Hulk was not as big of a success as a lot of people seem to think. The grosses were about the same as the first movie which everyone considers to be a bomb.

As for being better received, The Hulk has a RT score of 61%. Incredible Hulk has a score of 66%. Seems pretty negligible to me. (For what it's worth, Spidey 3 has an RT score of 63%.)

But the big question is this: Was Incredible Hulk successful as a reboot of the franchise? So far, no sequel has been announced. It seems unlikely that there will be one. If anything, the next Hulk film (if there is one) is likely to be another reboot.

Having said that, I do think that this is the model the Spidey reboot should follow. Don't retell the origin story again! If you feel the need, show the new Peter Parker getting bit by a spider and learning the lesson about great responsibility in the opening credits.
 

CastleBound

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Ang Lee's Hulk may be a better movie than Spider-man 3. But if I had to choose, I'd rather watch Spidey 3 again than sit through Lee's Hulk. Heck, I'd rather watch Batman and Robin again. And I think Batman and Robin is the worst super hero attrocity ever made. Ang Lee's Hulk was just unbelievably boring and self-important. (Superman Returns had the same problems.)

Btw, Incredible Hulk was not as big of a success as a lot of people seem to think. The grosses were about the same as the first movie which everyone considers to be a bomb.

As for being better received, The Hulk has a RT score of 61%. Incredible Hulk has a score of 66%. Seems pretty negligible to me. (For what it's worth, Spidey 3 has an RT score of 63%.)

But the big question is this: Was Incredible Hulk successful as a reboot of the franchise? So far, no sequel has been announced. It seems unlikely that there will be one. If anything, the next Hulk film (if there is one) is likely to be another reboot.

Having said that, I do think that this is the model the Spidey reboot should follow. Don't retell the origin story again! If you feel the need, show the new Peter Parker getting bit by a spider and learning the lesson about great responsibility in the opening credits.

I like that last idea, sort of along the line of the Incredible Hulk intro. No story telling needed, we all know how it goes. Just get to the point.

Also, there is a difference between a bad movie that no one likes and a bad movie that made 800 million(Spidey 3). Was that not enough money for them?
 

SirGoofy

Member
Ang Lee's Hulk may be a better movie than Spider-man 3. But if I had to choose, I'd rather watch Spidey 3 again than sit through Lee's Hulk. Heck, I'd rather watch Batman and Robin again. And I think Batman and Robin is the worst super hero attrocity ever made. Ang Lee's Hulk was just unbelievably boring and self-important. (Superman Returns had the same problems.)

I saw Spider-Man 3 once, at a midnight opening night showing, and I refuse to ever watch it again. Spidey being my favorite coic book character, it was like a slap in the face what they did.

As for being better received, The Hulk has a RT score of 61%. Incredible Hulk has a score of 66%. Seems pretty negligible to me. (For what it's worth, Spidey 3 has an RT score of 63%.)

I just go by what everyone I know says, and most people really enjoyed IH.

But the big question is this: Was Incredible Hulk successful as a reboot of the franchise? So far, no sequel has been announced. It seems unlikely that there will be one. If anything, the next Hulk film (if there is one) is likely to be another reboot.

From what I understand, the reason there hasn't been a sequel is because Edward Norton isn't interested in doing another.:shrug:

Having said that, I do think that this is the model the Spidey reboot should follow. Don't retell the origin story again! If you feel the need, show the new Peter Parker getting bit by a spider and learning the lesson about great responsibility in the opening credits.

I completely agree, and I read somewhere that that's what will indeed happen.
 

lebeau

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I saw Spider-Man 3 once, at a midnight opening night showing, and I refuse to ever watch it again. Spidey being my favorite coic book character, it was like a slap in the face what they did.



I just go by what everyone I know says, and most people really enjoyed IH.



From what I understand, the reason there hasn't been a sequel is because Edward Norton isn't interested in doing another.:shrug:



I completely agree, and I read somewhere that that's what will indeed happen.

I would never choose to watch Spidey 3 again.

By the time I saw it (I believe it was opening weekend but I could be wrong) I had heard the bad word of mouth and my expectations were lowered. During the first fight, the CG really bugged me. After that, I started wondering why people hated it so much.

Then Peter Parker started "dancing". And it was all downhill from there. I don't consider Spidey 3 to be as bad as Batman and Robin. But I put it in the same category as Hulk, Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Incredible Hulk and Superman Returns as movies that just aren't worth watching a second time.

I feel the same way about Batman and Robin as you probably do about Spidey 3. But really, what's worse than the Bat Credit Card?

Most people I know were lukewarm on Incredible Hulk. I liked it better than Hulk, which is to say I didn't hate it. But it was less ambitious and less well-crafted than the original Hulk. So I kind of consider them a wash. One is a bad but moderately entertaining movie and the other is an ambitious experiment that didn't work.

One never knows with Edward Norton. He's one of those guys who has a prickly reputation. And it's well documented that he clashed with Marvel over IH. However, he has talked about possibly appearing in Avengers. So I don't think he's completely opposed to reprising the role.

My understanding is that while IH did okay, it needed to significantly outgross the original. And since it did about the same as the original, no one wanted to take a chance on another movie that would almost certainly cost more and earn less.

If IH had burned up the box office Iron Man style and Norton opted out, they still would have pushed ahead with another Hulk movie and recast the role. That's not happening because IH succeeded as a movie but failed as a franchise reboot.

I'm cautiously optimistic about the new Spider-man. At first, I couldn't understand why Sony would pull the plug on a franchise that was working. But the more I think about it, the more their decision makes sense. Spidey 4 would have been much more costly.

And it was still a risk. Especially since no one could agree on a villain. Best case scenerio is they get one more hit out of the franchise. Worst case scenerio is they kill the franchise before their planned reboot.

The reboot will be relatively inexpensive. And if it stand a good chance of pulling in the younger audience they are going for. The risks are pretty low (as these things go) because a Spider-man movie is pretty close to a sure thing.
 

SirGoofy

Member
I honestly think IH failed because Hulk is a crappy character. I'm a arvel fan, and I absolutely hate Hulk. There's just something about him that I feel audiences don't connect with.

The reboot will be relatively inexpensive. And if it stand a good chance of pulling in the younger audience they are going for. The risks are pretty low (as these things go) because a Spider-man movie is pretty close to a sure thing.

I agree, and I really like the choice of director. (500) Days of Summer is basically Spider-Man without the powers, and as long as they don't pick someone terrible or Spidey, I think it'll be a great reboot.
 

Wilt Dasney

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I saw the second Hulk, skipped the first one. Whether he's a bad character or not, he doesn't fit the superhero mold. Hulk is more of a sci-fi/horror/psychological genre. Obviously those kinds of movies can work, but having him marketed alongside Spidey and Iron Man really misrepresents the character. Hulk is just a hard franchise to define and promote (and I'll admit I don't find him all that compelling, either).

The character has worked, though. Remember Lou Ferrigno from the '70s. That series was a big hit, and it was presented as a psychological "one man alone" drama with some action thrown in, not a superhero thing.




And nothing I have ever seen from the current crop of superhero flicks compares with Batman and Robin. Nothing comes close. It is in a specially noxious vat of stink all unto itself.
 

lebeau

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I honestly think IH failed because Hulk is a crappy character. I'm a arvel fan, and I absolutely hate Hulk. There's just something about him that I feel audiences don't connect with.



I agree, and I really like the choice of director. (500) Days of Summer is basically Spider-Man without the powers, and as long as they don't pick someone terrible or Spidey, I think it'll be a great reboot.

I've never been a Hulk fan. It's just a one-note concept to me. I enjoyed much of Peter David's Hulk, but he really moved the character away from anything that was recognizable to the general public as the Hulk.

After watching Ang Lee's Hulk, I thought that I'd be satisfied by just seeing Hulk destroy stuff. After seeing IH, I decided that wasn't enough for me. It's hard to believe, but the best treatment of the character is still the cheesy 70s TV show.

I haven't seen (500) Days of Summer yet. But it's been on my radar for a long time. I've heard mostly good things. I'm cautiously optimistic on the choice of Marc Webb as director. Not sure he's up to the jump from indie film director to big budget blockbuster franchise, but we'll see.

I'm sure you've heard the rumors that Joseph Gordon-Levitt is being considered for Peter. He's too old to actually be a high school student, but I still think he'd be a good choice. Much better than a lot of the other names being thrown around.

I can't think of any teen actors who are up to the role. So I'm kind of hoping they can find an amazing unkown.
 

SirGoofy

Member
I'm sure you've heard the rumors that Joseph Gordon-Levitt is being considered for Peter. He's too old to actually be a high school student, but I still think he'd be a good choice. Much better than a lot of the other names being thrown around.

I have, and he's bee my choice for years, in all honesty. He's the perfect Peter Parker, and while he technically is "too old" for high school, I think he's got the acting chops(not to mention a bit of a baby face) to pull it off.
 

lebeau

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He does have a baby face. I checked his age. Dude's 29! It's hard for me to imagine another 29-year-old-actor believably playing a high school student. But I think I could suspend my disbelief. It's not like John Travolta in Grease. :rolleyes:

I'll take acting chops over the right look anyway. (I said the same thing when Michael Keaton was cast as Batman and it's never steered me wrong.)

I'm withholding judgement until I know more details, but so far it sounds more promising than a lot of what gets made. (Or for that matter a lot of what didn't get made. Tim Burton's Superman. *shudder*)
 

CastleBound

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They are looking for a much younger cast for Spidey 3 and the Joseph Gordon Levitt rumor has been shot down. They are supposed to be going with a cast of unknowns.

As for no new Hulk movie, I don't think its a matter of Ed Norton not wanting to, I've heard he is interested, Its more of other movies being made first in line. They have been connecting all these Marvel movies ie: Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, Thor, The Avengers and possibly Nick Fury. These are all movie on the slate to be made. Thor is in process right now, Captain America is being created, and Iron Man will be out this summer. Its more of the busy factor than a not want to.
 

lebeau

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They are looking for a much younger cast for Spidey 3 and the Joseph Gordon Levitt rumor has been shot down. They are supposed to be going with a cast of unknowns.

As for no new Hulk movie, I don't think its a matter of Ed Norton not wanting to, I've heard he is interested, Its more of other movies being made first in line. They have been connecting all these Marvel movies ie: Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, Thor, The Avengers and possibly Nick Fury. These are all movie on the slate to be made. Thor is in process right now, Captain America is being created, and Iron Man will be out this summer. Its more of the busy factor than a not want to.

A young cast of unknowns is a good idea, as long as they can find a great young cast of unkowns.

If the studio was happy with the returns on IH, they'd be making a Hulk sequel just like Iron Man 2. That "first in line" stuff is just a smoke screen.
 

lebeau

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Thanks for the article link.

Catch that Hulk bit? Feige also said that he won't rule out the possibility of a second Incredible Hulk film with Edward Norton. "That would be post-'Avengers,' if it happened... I think there's a chance. It's certainly our intention to use the same actors from film to film where we can."

Here's how I read this. If the Avengers creates a lot of interest in the Hulk, they may give it another shot. If that doesn't happen, the Hulk franchicse is dormant.
 

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