Marvel coming to WDW?!?!

Nmoody1

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While I have your attention, grab your Friday's Chinese Chicken Salad leftovers and let's talk some Shanghai.

First, how it affects parks stateside. Soarin Over the World will, as I have said before but is now confirmed, debut at EPCOT and DCA on June17th, almost a day after SDL opens with it as a unique attraction. Take this to the bank as done @wdwmagic.

The budget cuts continue at WDW (and DL) to make up for the overspending that is happening in China. Chefs are being told to buy cheaper ingredients and plate the food differently so smaller portions can be served, all while prices rise (and not one Lifestyler/Tweeter/Blogger or Podcaster will rip them for it). You could serve these people a pile of cow pooh on a plate and so long as it was from Disney, they'd eat it and tell you how tasty it was.

BTW, while there were a few reasons for not having a 24-hour day at the parks to usher in Olaf's favorite season, the biggest reason why an event planned to be annual one won't be happening is budget cuts due to Shanghai.

The latest word from my folks on the ground there is that it's still a total mess. The word now is that on opening day less than 50% of exterior paint will be completed. You read that right. Many facades and structures will simply have a basic and detail-free paint job slapped on until the real WDI finishes can be applied through the end of calendar 2016. It really is THAT bad.

From a friend in the know:

"The American parks have been asked to cut labor and expenses by double digit percentages in order to help pad the bottom line of the Parks & Resorts division while Shanghai slurps up huge amounts of labor, captial and free cash flow to get the park open on time and without too much embarassment. [WDW and DLR] are now directly subsidizing the Chinese Communist Party to get the Shanghai property barely able to open on time by June. Can you imagine what the vehemently anti-Communist and pro-American Walt would have thought of that?"

My response would be "Walt Who?" Disney doesn't care. Iger doesn't care. Staggs doesn't care. Chappie doesn't care. Georgie doesn't care. Dr. Blondie doesn't care. So *** should anyone else, right?


And even with all this added capital (anyone still asking where that $800 million went ... beyond out and out graft?) and labor, WDI and Bob are in a panic because major attractions simply are so far behind being ready for June that some people on-site have gone to saying "June of what year?" They recently ordered a batch of senior Imagineers, headlined by Tom Morris, over to SDL to add oversight and do ''whatever they can" to get the park ready to go. A few balked and were given the Eddie Sotto treatment, as in "You can go or you can resign, but you can't stay."

Some day a book is going to be written on this project ... and I don't mean a Disney coffee table one either.



Speaking of China, as I am wont to do, no one seemed to notice that Andrew Kam resigned recently as Managing Director of HKDL and was replaced by Sam Lau. Yes, that one. Do you think there are two of them? Kam had been the SAR face of the resort and a big outward fan of it. Lau was born there and has a Chinese face and has experience working in exec positions where he got to do nothing.

Finally, one last shot at WDW management: you expect people to book lunches six months ahead of time and attractions 60 days out, yet you are opening a brand new show at DAK, which people will need to reserve, and you refuse to provide operating hours or showtimes one month out. Yup, stay classy WDW.

Let's hope that the unfinished paint does get finished.... I kind of have visions that disney won't have to upkeep to thier old standards (let's face it, they don't maintain great show anymore), but with so few westerners who know the Disney brand in shanghai, maybe this really will be the poor man's disney (show wise) with the rides we have needed at other parks for years!

A friend of mine got drinking in a shanghai bar recently with some Imagineers and they said it will be a good park.... just don't go in the first year as things won't be working, things won't be ready and this will be in addition to the usual teething issues.

Could be an interesting June in Pudong!
 

ParentsOf4

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Disney raised prices and initiated seasonal ticket pricing because, Disney spokeswoman Jacquee Wahler claimed, it would spread out crowds:

The demand for our theme parks continues to grow, particularly during peak periods. In addition to expanding our parks, we are adopting seasonal pricing on our one-day ticket to help better spread visitation throughout the year.​

Presumably, Disney is retheming existing attractions to attract more crowds "throughout the year".

Yet retheming does nothing to increase capacity.

And we continue to read reports of petty cost cutting measures at WDW designed to squeeze every last cent out of operations even as WDW experiences record crowds.

Hmm. Higher prices, larger crowds, same capacity, quality cutbacks.

Maybe, just maybe, corporate Disney doesn't give a hoot about its once sacred "Guest Experience".

Maybe, just maybe, it's time for even the most ardent pixieduster to recognize that Disney is playing its 'Guests' for a fool. :greedy:
 

BrianLo

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Re: Shanghai Disneyland



Landscaping actually appears to finally be going in, temporary construction housing is disappearing.

I agree, it's not going to be finished, but at least I can visualize that it will be relatively presentable now at opening. Painting seems far more than 50% complete...


I'm now going for opening (which was pretty much exactly what I never intended to do), so perhaps I'm just trying to be optimistic. Realistically if 3/4 of Tron, Pirate, Roarin' Mountain and Voyage to the Crystal Grotto are running that's enough.

Even if it's a total disaster, should still be a fun time relaying the stories back here. The rest will just be amusing to exec watch and explore.
 

the.dreamfinder

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Re: Shanghai Disneyland



Landscaping actually appears to finally be going in, temporary construction housing is disappearing.

I agree, it's not going to be finished, but at least I can visualize that it will be relatively presentable now at opening. Painting seems far more than 50% complete...


I'm now going for opening (which was pretty much exactly what I never intended to do), so perhaps I'm just trying to be optimistic. Realistically if 3/4 of Tron, Pirate, Roarin' Mountain and Voyage to the Crystal Grotto are running that's enough.

Even if it's a total disaster, should still be a fun time relaying the stories back here. The rest will just be amusing to exec watch and explore.

"Presentable" is not an acceptable standard for a Disney park. It's show ready or it's not. Spirit has made it clear this park won't be show ready come June. That's disgraceful given this is Disney's grand coming out party in Mainland China.
 

Slowjack

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This must be how fans of Horizons or World of Motion felt like when their demise was announced.
I think it's worse. I am one of those people who thought Horizons was the best attraction ever, and who thinks that Mission: Space is a horrible replacement (with all respect to Eddie Sotto, who is a huge talent and has been very gracious in his visits here).

But this situation we're discussing here, if it comes to pass, would be different. The ridership of Horizons had slowed to a trickle in its later years, even during the long delay in getting Test Track open, when you would think Horizons would be busy simply because there was little else to do. Much as I lament its passing, I cannot really blame Disney for moving on.

The Tower of Terror, though, is still packing them in. Though not as popular as Midway Mania, ToT remains its park's signature attraction. Of course, this change, if it happens, will presumably leave the core physical experience in place. The "ride" will still be there. But the change treats guests with contempt. It tells them that Disney thinks it can do anything in the pursuit of corporate synergy and get away with it.
 

Wikkler

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Well, if current plans (and they are subject to change, but accurate as of this posting and that is all I can ever offer) follow through, sometime in either 2017 or 2018 you will get to experience a true GotG E-Ticket at The Corpse of The Disney-MGM Studios. Fast construction timeline you say. Or the Spirit is smoking on some bad Kissimmee weed you say?

Nope. Welcome to The Guardians of the Galaxy Tower of Terror. Yes. Really. Yes, Disney wants to destroy (or make over depending on how you look at it) one of its high points of creative product in the last 25 years to tie it to a BRAND that it can't even use to advertise and promote, in Florida that is.
This is disgusting. I'd use curse words if they were allowed on this forum. Not even Frozestrom made me this angry. Excuse me while I punch something.

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This is the last straw. Completely done with Disney. I don't want to give any money to them anymore. I was thinking of seeing Zootopia in the theater, but I guess I'll just pirate it. If more people do this, I wonder if they will finally think straight or will they panic and replace everything?
Its crude representation, but I am trying to imagine what it could look like.

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FigmentForver96

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This is disgusting. I'd use curse words if they were allowed on this forum. Not even Frozestrom made me this angry. Excuse me while I punch something.

...This is literally the worst idea ever.

This is the last straw. Completely done with Disney. I don't want to give any money to them anymore. I was thinking of seeing Zootopia in the theater, but I guess I'll just pirate it. If more people do this, I wonder if they will finally think straight or will they panic and replace everything?

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Glad I skipped breakfast.Notice the vomit over the letters "D I and S".
Not sure you should openly say you are going to pirate a movie
 

FigmentForver96

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I have an MBA and zero creativity and even I can tell this is insanity.

Frozen: Don't like it but I GET it.
Star Wars in DL Tomorrowland: Really don't like it but I GET it.
Avatar: Cautiously optimistic and I GET it.

This nonsense makes zero sense.
This makes Frozen look like peanuts. Like you said I can at least understand why they thought placing Frozen in Norway was a good idea, but this makes no logical sense. None. Whatsoever .
 

asianway

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I just moved over to Micechat to see what they were saying and most of them call "shenanigans". Funny, anytime the Spirit gives a rumor, they turn around and try to act like it could never be true. Either way I really feel bad for Anaheim right now knowing they get to deal with this problem first.
Castro corroborated the rumor last night though I think nowadays he leans more magic than MC
 

doctornick

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I have an MBA and zero creativity and even I can tell this is insanity.

Frozen: Don't like it but I GET it.
Star Wars in DL Tomorrowland: Really don't like it but I GET it.
Avatar: Cautiously optimistic and I GET it.

This nonsense makes zero sense.

Exactly. There are many things that Disney does with the parks -- or has discussed -- that are disappointing but at least have some logic to them. Replacing ToT in DHS with GotG doesn't make any sense. Here are the best two "reasons" I have seen justifying it:

1. Not willing to pay the Twilight Zone licensing fees any more. Okay, I buy that in Disney's penny pinching ways, but the obvious solution is to just remove the Twilight Zone branding and make it a non-IP ride. Not only would that save the licensing fees, but would be a much easier/cheaper/quicker switch than putting in a GotG theme.

2. Bringing GotG to WDW to promote for DHS. There are easier/quicker ways to do this -- an obvious (to me) choice would be some sort of M&G/dance party in the new Flex theater (think about having an AA or puppet Groot or Rocket as part of it -- it would be popular). Or quickly build a simple dark ride in some of the ample available space in the park to increase capacity.

As I've said before, there's a logic to rebranding ToT in DCA to GotG. I don't necessarily agree with it, but can understand it. From there, some executive probably thought "hey, maybe we can get two "new" rides about of this by changing it at DHS as well" and WDI has looked into it. But I'm skeptical that such a crazy idea has moved beyond the "we've talked about it" stage.

I believe Mr. Spirit did this more for shock value. To show how out of touch the execs are. Through all of his confusing posts, it essentially boiled down to this: its an idea that's being "considered." I'd imagine tons of ideas that are pitched rarely make it through. Just go straight to the coffee table book. Much like this one will.

Yeah, my take too. This is so absurd that I think it's being leaked just to embarrass the idiot who even came up with the idea. I mean, WDW1974's post even indicates that TDO isn't sold on the idea and isn't interested in more than a temporary overlay.
 

NearTheEars

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Exactly. There are many things that Disney does with the parks -- or has discussed -- that are disappointing but at least have some logic to them. Replacing ToT in DHS with GotG doesn't make any sense. Here are the best two "reasons" I have seen justifying it:

1. Not willing to pay the Twilight Zone licensing fees any more. Okay, I buy that in Disney's penny pinching ways, but the obvious solution is to just remove the Twilight Zone branding and make it a non-IP ride. Not only would that save the licensing fees, but would be a much easier/cheaper/quicker switch than putting in a GotG theme.

2. Bringing GotG to WDW to promote for DHS. There are easier/quicker ways to do this -- an obvious (to me) choice would be some sort of M&G/dance party in the new Flex theater (think about having an AA or puppet Groot or Rocket as part of it -- it would be popular). Or quickly build a simple dark ride in some of the ample available space in the park to increase capacity.

As I've said before, there's a logic to rebranding ToT in DCA to GotG. I don't necessarily agree with it, but can understand it. From there, some executive probably thought "hey, maybe we can get two "new" rides about of this by changing it at DHS as well" and WDI has looked into it. But I'm skeptical that such a crazy idea has moved beyond the "we've talked about it" stage.



Yeah, my take too. This is so absurd that I think it's being leaked just to embarrass the idiot who even came up with the idea. I mean, WDW1974's post even indicates that TDO isn't sold on the idea and isn't interested in more than a temporary overlay.

Agreed. If it was about saving money, they'd just strip the IP from ToT. It would still be a great theme/story even without the twilight zone intro.

They'd have to do a little work during the dark ride portion, but overall an easy fix.
 

the.dreamfinder

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Link? I'm curious as to what exactly he said as well.
Spirited delusions http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/marvel-coming-to-wdw.911512/page-3
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711350523153154050

Of course, as soon as I tweet that link I get a message that no, a Guardians of the Galaxy re-theme for Tower is real and happening at DCA.
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711353639302930432

And I realize shouldn’t be surprised because OF COURSE Disney would just reskin an existing ride for their first real Marvel thing in CA.
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711353988419944448

It’s pretty remarkable just how horribly Disney has handled Marvel in its parks so far ….
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711357320110837760

… and if the Guardians overlay for Tower is true, then it’s only going to get worse. Brand deposit, indeed.
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711357418643390465

Cheap overlays of attractions guests love because you’ve been too cheap to properly invest for *years* …
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711359252674117632

…. despite making record-breaking profits quarter-after-quarter, year-after-year… Disneyland.
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711359319745277952

Also, kudos to WDI for being exhaustingly lazy with their creative output. Pitching ride overlays instead of fighting for real stuff.
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711359702714568704

I’ll be thrilled if all of this fizzles out and it was all just a dumb rumor that I overreacted to. I hope that’s what happens.
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711360008064139264

Cause honestly, it sounds like a LOST Island or Stark Expo type-rumor. Laughable, fan-fic-y nonsense that couldn’t possibly be real. I wish
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711360257323372544

If anybody was excited about Disney doing cool things with Marvel, then save yourself the grief & go to Uni Orlando and go on Spider-Man.
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711368075610693632
 

doctornick

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Spirited delusions http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/marvel-coming-to-wdw.911512/page-3
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711350523153154050

Of course, as soon as I tweet that link I get a message that no, a Guardians of the Galaxy re-theme for Tower is real and happening at DCA.
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711353639302930432

And I realize shouldn’t be surprised because OF COURSE Disney would just reskin an existing ride for their first real Marvel thing in CA.
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711353988419944448

It’s pretty remarkable just how horribly Disney has handled Marvel in its parks so far ….
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711357320110837760

… and if the Guardians overlay for Tower is true, then it’s only going to get worse. Brand deposit, indeed.
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711357418643390465

Cheap overlays of attractions guests love because you’ve been too cheap to properly invest for *years* …
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711359252674117632

…. despite making record-breaking profits quarter-after-quarter, year-after-year… Disneyland.
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711359319745277952

Also, kudos to WDI for being exhaustingly lazy with their creative output. Pitching ride overlays instead of fighting for real stuff.
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711359702714568704

I’ll be thrilled if all of this fizzles out and it was all just a dumb rumor that I overreacted to. I hope that’s what happens.
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711360008064139264

Cause honestly, it sounds like a LOST Island or Stark Expo type-rumor. Laughable, fan-fic-y nonsense that couldn’t possibly be real. I wish
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711360257323372544

If anybody was excited about Disney doing cool things with Marvel, then save yourself the grief & go to Uni Orlando and go on Spider-Man.
https://twitter.com/21royalstreet/status/711368075610693632

So, it sounds like he is only confirming plans for DCA, not suggesting anything about DHS.

And he's certainly correct that putting GotG in DCA's ToT is creatively lazy, but that's a far cry from the absurdity of putting it in DHS's version of the ride.
 

George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
Nope. Welcome to The Guardians of the Galaxy Tower of Terror. Yes. Really. Yes, Disney wants to destroy (or make over depending on how you look at it) one of its high points of creative product in the last 25 years to tie it to a BRAND that it can't even use to advertise and promote, in Florida that is.

Here's the truth on 2 points. 1) I haven't read ahead in the thread to see other's reactions and 2) I actively try not to pre-judge how any idea may work out when I don't have knowledge of the details. Now, here's the truth on a third point. My initial reaction to this was very simple. I thought, "This is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever read."

ToT is the best thing in the Studios. How hard can it be to make a separate GotG attraction?
 
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PizzaPlanet

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Yup. I am talking about the characters from the second best Marvel film -- behind Deadpool, which doesn't count because it's not controlled by The Weatherman and not part of something called The Marvel Cinematic Universe -- namely The Guardians of the Galaxy.
Guardians is part of the MCU...
 

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