Marvel coming to WDW?!?!

[MotherOfBirds]

I can't help but be reminded of Avatar. It sounded too insane to be true, even to the point that people within the company thought it was a joke. And now we have floating rocks.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Holding at 93% against and 7% for...
https://twitter.com/WDWThemeParks/status/711364529968513024

 

[FigmentForver96]

You know, you're not the first one who's told me today they've backtracked their statement because of who said it. Now you're really beginning to get me worried. Its kinda really hard to believe.

Well I have certainly not backtracked on what I believe and my feelings towards the idea of such a project. If any random poster was to post something I probably would not have believed it but this is coming from someone with a proven background.

Fingers crossed it just doesn't happen.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Man, I hope this happens! I love a good train wreck!

 

[the.dreamfinder]

What gets me is how Spirit talked about the Disney execs that would try to tout this as a new E-Ticket. It wouldn't be new unless they absolutely gut and start from scratch. It would be a reskin - a big one - but a reskin nonetheless.

It's the equivalent of taking your car, getting it painted, and trying to act like you have a new car. It is not a new car.

Honestly, I like a lot of what WDW has to offer. But this would not make much sense to me. The entire look of this part of DHS as you stare down Sunset Blvd. is almost perfection as far as theme parks go. I love how that tower just frowns down at you, daring you to step inside. And the palm trees that line the street...having a reskin of ToT sitting there would simply not look right. Am almost perfect aesthetic would be destroyed.

Welp, Disney is about to market the out of a "brand new" Frozen attraction so while this is a dumb idea, their reasoning is consistent.

 

[WDWResort]

Well I have certainly not backtracked on what I believe and my feelings towards the idea of such a project. If any random poster was to post something I probably would not have believed it but this is coming from someone with a proven background.

Fingers crossed it just doesn't happen.

Right, not backtracked on their feelings, just the initial "that's not going to happen" comments. But yeah, the fact a few have already told me he's good makes me wonder. I may just have to eat my words.

 

[Wags14]

Well I see the "rumor" is already picking up traction on other websites. But honestly as much as I like the idea of Marvel being integrated into the parks but dislike the idea of ToT being re-imagined into a GotG theme it honestly makes too much sense as far as WDI and TDA are concerned. For Disney they can promote and ultimately would drive more people to the park (new attraction), while not costing them as much money to re-imagine ToT and not having to pay the license anymore ("helping the bottom line").

I could see us guests entering The Collector's Mansion as we are lead through a variety of The Collector's items and various artifacts from the movies. I would be willing to bet, where as The Collector may not be in GotG2, I would almost guarantee he and his Mansion will play some sort of role in the Avengers: Infinity War movies. Again promotion for the ride...

I could think of a bunch of other ways to integrate GotG into the park with out hurting a beloved ride as ToT and promoting parks just as good if not better, but sadly this is the WDI and TDA we have now.

 

[FigmentForver96]

Well I see the "rumor" is already picking up traction on other websites.

I just moved over to Micechat to see what they were saying and most of them call "shenanigans". Funny, anytime the Spirit gives a rumor, they turn around and try to act like it could never be true. Either way I really feel bad for Anaheim right now knowing they get to deal with this problem first.

 

[hopemax]

Because it makes no sense. A drop ride themed to GotG? Think about that. Nothing about it makes sense. I'll eat my words when it happens. For now, I'm not buying it.

Ignore the specifics for just a moment.

It doesn't make sense that an executive might think it was strange that Disney used Another Company's 50 year old IP as the basis of one of their park's signature attractions? Since DHS is in the middle of a rebranding project, it doesn't make sense to "fix" that problem now? It doesn't make sense to introduce the only Marvel entity they can actually use? It doesn't make sense to "retheme" instead of add when you have already committed to so many large rebuilding projects? And heck, I'm even wondering if they "learned" a lesson from Froestrom's capacity issues and how it limits your growth potential and decided to intentionally target a higher capacity attraction!

Several weeks ago there was a sub-discussion about modern analytics vs trusting your gut. I said basically sometimes the numbers don't tell the whole story. I bet Guardians and Marvel survey a thousand times better with Disney's key demos than the Twilight Zone. Our guts tell us how wrong this is. But what would the numbers say? Just considering the modern marketing process, this actually makes a ton of sense. If the ride experience isn't being altered, do you really think kids wouldn't prefer the theming be something they are more familiar with?

But this is "New Coke" territory. And if they go through with it...impossible to walk back. If you understand and appreciate the Disney Difference you instinctively know it's wrong. But not everyone "gets" Disney and now those people are running the place.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I think GOTG deserves some kind of park presence, but not at the cost of something like ToT. That attraction is one of the best examples of execution in a park attraction that WDI has pulled off in the last 20 years, at least at WDW.

The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror is no longer a jewel of the past 20 years. It is now old enough to drink and seems to follow a pattern of jealousy and reworking.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

Exactly. GotG is a great movie and would be a solid theme for a proper attraction at Disney theme parks. That isn't the problem with this crazy idea.

I guess we have to wait till the new GotG 2 movie comes. If there is something that resembles ToT in the movie, then something is up.

 

[FigmentForver96]

The Teilight Zone Tower of Terror is no longer a jewel of the past 20 years. It is now old enough to drink and seems to follow a pattern of jealousy and reworking.

Yep now 22 years old, yet still one of the last best things WDI ever made.

 

[rreading]

Ignore the specifics for just a moment.

It doesn't make sense that an executive might think it was strange that Disney used Another Company's 50 year old IP as the basis of one of their park's signature attractions? Since DHS is in the middle of a rebranding project, it doesn't make sense to "fix" that problem now? It doesn't make sense to introduce the only Marvel entity they can actually use? It doesn't make sense to "retheme" instead of add when you have already committed to so many large rebuilding projects? And heck, I'm even wondering if they "learned" a lesson from Froestrom's capacity issues and how it limits your growth potential and decided to intentionally target a higher capacity attraction!

Several weeks ago there was a sub-discussion about modern analytics vs trusting your gut. I said basically sometimes the numbers don't tell the whole story. I bet Guardians and Marvel survey a thousand times better with Disney's key demos than the Twilight Zone. Our guts tell us how wrong this is. But what would the numbers say? Just considering the modern marketing process, this actually makes a ton of sense. If the ride experience isn't being altered, do you really think kids wouldn't prefer the theming be something they are more familiar with?

But this is "New Coke" territory. And if they go through with it...impossible to walk back. If you understand and appreciate the Disney Difference you instinctively know it's wrong. But not everyone "gets" Disney and now those people are running the place.

Again, I still think it's a horrible idea...

But I understand this line of reasoning. And it's struck me as strange that TOT is a second-tier ride on FP+ in DHS. It makes setting up FP+ easy so that I can book RnRC and TOT but I was surprised by that. And it makes me wonder if the analysts think that it's a second-rate ride (or if the ranking is making them think that it is).

 

[doctornick]

I just moved over to Micechat to see what they were saying and most of them call "shenanigans". Funny, anytime the Spirit gives a rumor, they turn around and try to act like it could never be true. Either way I really feel bad for Anaheim right now knowing they get to deal with this problem first.

The thing is that it's not a "problem" for Anaheim. The ToT there is not as good, nor is it one of the headliners of the park (or, at least, thee are more headliners) nor is the land it is in a well themed masterpiece (it's arguably the weakest land in the park). Converting it to GotG and making it part of the soon to be build Marvel land there is something that actually makes some sense.

Heck, you can even make the case that DLR is so short on land that they have to replace attractions from time to time if they want stuff that is new. Not the case for WDW/DHS with an abundance of land and not enough stuff to do.

Putting it in DHS is absurd for a variety of reasons not present at DCA.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Ignore the specifics for just a moment.

It doesn't make sense that an executive might think it was strange that Disney used Another Company's 50 year old IP as the basis of one of their park's signature attractions? Since DHS is in the middle of a rebranding project, it doesn't make sense to "fix" that problem now? It doesn't make sense to introduce the only Marvel entity they can actually use? It doesn't make sense to "retheme" instead of add when you have already committed to so many large rebuilding projects? And heck, I'm even wondering if they "learned" a lesson from Froestrom's capacity issues and how it limits your growth potential and decided to intentionally target a higher capacity attraction!

Several weeks ago there was a sub-discussion about modern analytics vs trusting your gut. I said basically sometimes the numbers don't tell the whole story. I bet Guardians and Marvel survey a thousand times better with Disney's key demos than the Twilight Zone. Our guts tell us how wrong this is. But what would the numbers say? Just considering the modern marketing process, this actually makes a ton of sense. If the ride experience isn't being altered, do you really think kids wouldn't prefer the theming be something they are more familiar with?

But this is "New Coke" territory. And if they go through with it...impossible to walk back. If you understand and appreciate the Disney Difference you instinctively know it's wrong. But not everyone "gets" Disney and now those people are running the place.

Analytics vs your gut.

THATS the difference between a creative person and an MBA

 

[Jjbean2]

I went to sleep praying that this was a cruel, cruel joke, but I see this is real and I'm really reading this. Welcome to hell ladies and gentlemen.

 

[deeevo]

Thanks!

I would be perfectly fine with RnR

 

[techgeek]

I hadn't heard specifics and certainly not a theme or IP. But I had heard the knives were out on sunset. Either Tower or RnRC. But I didn't think it'd come to this.

Is there a chance those rumblings could refer to the IP coming to both Tower and RnRC in some form? The makings of a "Marvel Mini-Loophole Land", if you will...?

 

[NearTheEars]

When did things that Disney did make sense? I know a lot of people, myself included, put stock in what Spirit says but he hardly has been wrong. I doubt he came here just to be funny and even if we don't like to accept it, obviously someone in Disney thinks this is a good possibility. There have been other insiders who have also come forward and said its ready to go and WILL happen in Anaheim.

Nobody is more angry about the thought of this then me. It is one of the stupidest things they've even considered doing in years.

I believe Mr. Spirit did this more for shock value. To show how out of touch the execs are. Through all of his confusing posts, it essentially boiled down to this: its an idea that's being "considered." I'd imagine tons of ideas that are pitched rarely make it through. Just go straight to the coffee table book. Much like this one will.

 

[flyerjab]

I would have to think that if ToT were to be re-imagined, that there might be a good chance that RnRC would not be far behind. Then the argument would be that you have fully developed lands - Star Wars, Toy Story, Muppets (mini land), Phase 3, and now a Marvel Land. They could have the Collector's Mansion and a GotG Escape from Nowhere coaster. I can see all of this forming now.