Marvel Characters at Kings Island

WildcatDen

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Enchanted Voyage was the bomb.

Quoted for TRUTH!

Not sure if you recall, but they had a new overlay in Action Theater that contained that original score a few years back. Yes, I do miss some of the themes from yesteryear. You would be hard pressed to call Rivertown and Octoberfest themed areas today. Sad but the upkeep HAS improved and it is a great place to kill some after work hours a few times a week.
 

WildcatDen

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So overjoyed I'm not the only one who remembers and loves Phantom Theater.

They bring out some of those figures for use during Fear Fest. That and the old cars from the Jetson's Space Ranger Spin. Oh, did I mention that Fear Fest is also free with your season pass?
 

Prince-1

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Geez, but it's easy to get you stirred up. Sucker.

Yeah! If he's a superhero, then Donald Duck must die!

And this guy too!

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Not Super Goof!!! :arghh: You are cold hearted Magenta...cold hearted I say.
 

lebeau

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Do not forget that the water park is included in the price of you AP. I know the term 'Value" has been kicked around a lot on various threads, but quite simply, KI is a great value!

Disney has nothing on KI in the value dept. It's a steal. I don't know how anyone lives in the area and doesn't have a pass provided they have any interest in rides whatsoever.

And the deals don't stop with admission. If you go often enough, refillable cups and snack buckets are a pretty good deal. (They used to be better when KI would refill them indefinitely instead of just this year's cups but still not bad.) The new meal plans seem like a pretty good deal if you make proper use of them. FastLane is expensive, but can be a worthwhile purchase.

Every trip, I wonder if Disney World was really worth what it cost. I never question that with KI.

Quoted for TRUTH!

Not sure if you recall, but they had a new overlay in Action Theater that contained that original score a few years back. Yes, I do miss some of the themes from yesteryear. You would be hard pressed to call Rivertown and Octoberfest themed areas today. Sad but the upkeep HAS improved and it is a great place to kill some after work hours a few times a week.

I miss the old Rivertown and Octoberfest for sure. The park is very nicely maintained now. But it's an amusement park. It used to have some nice themed areas.

I still like International Street. But I wish they played the old music instead of the current pop music loops.

They bring out some of those figures for use during Fear Fest. That and the old cars from the Jetson's Space Ranger Spin. Oh, did I mention that Fear Fest is also free with your season pass?

$90 (if you buy in the fall) gets you a nice coaster park with an award-winning kid's section, a decent water park, some good haunts, free parking and park discounts on food and merch. It's a heckuva deal.

If you go this year, check out the Cirque Imagine show. It's included in the price of admission and has a lot of the same types of acrobatics and stunts as La Nouba. I can't believe it is in a regional amusement park.

Disney could learn a thing or two from Cedar Fair.
 
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lebeau

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Interesting. This is apparently a regular thing at Idlewild Park.

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Marvel Super-hero Week
July 7-11
Four of the greatest Marvel Superheros of all time will “swing” into Idlewild July 7 – 11. Captain America, Thor, Hulk, and everyone’s favorite web-slinger, Spider-man will meet and greet park Guests daily at the Hillside Theater Stage. Stop by local Eat ‘N Park restaurants to pick up your “super savings” coupon worth $6.00 off the Regular FunDay Admission at the gate. (One coupon good for the entire family per vehicle. Discount cannot be combined with any other offer).

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Princesses in the Park
July 14 – 18
Some of your favorite Princesses of all time – Cinderella, Snow White, Beauty, and Rapunzel will be on hand to meet members of your own royal family. Guests can get autographs and take photos with the Princesses from 12 – 6 pm daily, July 14 – 18 at the Hillside Theater. You can also help other families of the kingdom who are in need by bringing a canned food item to receive a $6.00 discount off of the Regular $38.99 plus tax FunDay Admission at the gate. (One can per person. Discount cannot be combined with any other offer).
 

NormC

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This is silly. It is allowed by the contract.

Shrinkage has nothing to do with it but since it was brought up the legal exclusivity shrinkage has already occurred as UNI/MCA did not plan another park or Marvel installation during the two years after the IOA opened.
Within 2 years after opening of THE MARVEL UNIVERSE in Orlando, MCA may retain its worldwide exclusivity for up to 5 additional years by designating another location where it intends to develop THE MARVEL UNIVERSE as part of a theme park, and by paying an option fee of $*** per year. Provided such second theme park opens within such 5 year period, MCA shall maintain worldwide exclusivity for an additional two year period after such opening, and thereafter its rights will be subject to the “shrinkage” or “expansion” concept described above
By not doing so UNI/MCA lost worldwide use rights.

UNI only licenses theme park use rights east of the Mississippi. They do not "own" anything. They have no other rights to the characters. They cannot change them or use them in any manner that Marvel does not approve. They cannot license their use to anyone else. All the intellectual property still belongs to Marvel (now owned by Disney). Kings Island is not using "Marvel" in its marketing of the 4 hour event. This is following the letter of the contract. Idlewild on the other hand may not be. Leave it to the Lawyers.
 

lazyboy97o

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This is silly. It is allowed by the contract.

Shrinkage has nothing to do with it but since it was brought up the legal exclusivity shrinkage has already occurred as UNI/MCA did not plan another park or Marvel installation during the two years after the IOA opened.
By not doing so UNI/MCA lost worldwide use rights.

UNI only licenses theme park use rights east of the Mississippi. They do not "own" anything. They have no other rights to the characters. They cannot change them or use them in any manner that Marvel does not approve. They cannot license their use to anyone else. All the intellectual property still belongs to Marvel (now owned by Disney). Kings Island is not using "Marvel" in its marketing of the 4 hour event. This is following the letter of the contract. Idlewild on the other hand may not be. Leave it to the Lawyers.
Universal Orlando Resort licenses the exclusive theme park rights for east of the Mississippi River. That means Marvel cannot authorize other uses in that area and if they did, then yes, they would also need to consult the holder of the exclusive license.
 

NormC

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Universal Orlando Resort licenses the exclusive theme park rights for east of the Mississippi River. That means Marvel cannot authorize other uses in that area and if they did, then yes, they would also need to consult the holder of the exclusive license.
Actually they can as written in the contract:

iii.East or West of The Mississippi - permitted uses shall be limited to the use of specific Marvel characters and Marvel may not permit a licensee to use the name “Marvel” as part of the attraction name or marketing.

And as both King's and Idlewild are more than 300 miles north:

a.Restrictions as to the geographic location of The Marvel Action Universe in areas where MCA has exclusive rights hereunder.
i.The Marvel Action Universe will not be within 60 miles of any Universal Theme Park with a THE MARVEL UNIVERSE
ii.Mini-theme parks, recreation centers, game centers and the like designated with the Marvel name or the name of any Marvel characters or any major entertainment component of a Marvel Action Universe such as a motion based film ride shall not be within 60 miles of any Universal Theme Park with a THE MARVEL UNIVERSE.
iii.Within the ADI market of the city containing a Universal Theme Park (even to the extent such ADI exceeds a 60 mile radius) there shall not be a Marvel themed simulator ride.

My only question would be with this:

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b.Restrictions as to elements of The Marvel Action Universe in areas where MCA has exclusive rights hereunder.
i.Within 300 miles of any Universal Theme Park with a THE MARVEL UNIVERSE, no The Marvel Action Universe shall contain more than one simulator, nor shall such simulator hold more than 20 people. Motion based or virtual reality attractions which are coin operated and hold no more than 4 people shall not be deemed a “simulator” subject to the above restriction. Any such rides which are interconnected so as to create a simultaneous experience among multiple units exceeding an aggregate of 4 people shall be deemed simulator rides and the number of people in such interconnected rides shall be counted toward the 20 person limit above.
c.Restrictions as to affiliations or marketing of The Marvel Action Universe or elements thereof, in areas where MCA has exclusive rights hereunder.
i.The Marvel Action Universe will not be within any theme park, nor marketed in conjunction with any theme park. For purposes of these restrictions, an area of 10 acres or less will not be deemed a theme park. An area in excess of 10 acres may or may not be deemed a theme park based on its overall characteristics.
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ii.No The Marvel Action Universe will be marketed so as to infer or imply that such THE MARVEL ACTION UNIVERSE or one of its components (x) constitutes a theme park or (y) is a component of a theme park.
iii.No The Marvel Action Universe shall be in or marketed in conjunction with any themed entertainment areas owned, operated or marketed by Disney, Time-Warner, Six Flags, Sony, Paramount or Busch. As used herein, “theme park” and “themed entertainment areas” shall not include, inter alia, facilities or complexes where at least 70% of the revenues generated on the premises are derived from retail sales or whose primary source of revenue is lodging (which may include food, beverage and gaming revenues).

But as I said before: Leave it to the Lawyers. I am not one nor do I play one on TV. I haven't even stayed at a Holiday Inn Express in years.
 
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seascape

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Actually they can as written in the contract:
We are beating our heads agains the wall. The people here know everything. They know we are wrong even if the contract says we are right. Disney give permission to KI and clearly have the right to do so. Universal can do nothing about this and will do nothing. But I still say the strangest part of this is that if KI were owned by Disney they could not do it.
 

NormC

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We are beating our heads agains the wall. The people here know everything. They know we are wrong even if the contract says we are right. Disney give permission to KI and clearly have the right to do so. Universal can do nothing about this and will do nothing. But I still say the strangest part of this is that if KI were owned by Disney they could not do it.
Some of us use a little more tact than others though. It is not a personal issue and there is no need to turn it into a confrontation or "I'm right and you're wrong"
This is a discussion forum not a legal counsel session. Leave the fine print to the lawyers and understand that WDW will not have any UNI licensed Marvel for the near future and they do not need it.
 

seascape

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Some of us use a little more tact than others though. It is not a personal issue and there is no need to turn it into a confrontation or "I'm right and you're wrong"
This is a discussion forum not a legal counsel session. Leave the fine print to the lawyers and understand that WDW will not have any UNI licensed Marvel for the near future and they do not need it.
I have tried to be tactful concerning the contract. It doesn't work. I have nothing against Universal and I want them and Disney to both grow. The problem is I was attacked and called a fool by a few of the posters here. It is only some of the posters but they will not accept any reasonable point of view on this. I started with the same section you posted. Disney has the right to let KI use the Marvel charachters and that is a fact based on the wording of the contract. If Universal disagrees they will take action, if they don't then they know its okay.
 

lazyboy97o

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Actually they can as written in the contract:

And as both King's and Idlewild are more than 300 miles north:

My only question would be with this:

But as I said before: Leave it to the Lawyers. I am not one nor do I play one on TV. I haven't even stayed at a Holiday Inn Express in years.
You are again pointing to the irrelevant, abandoned retail concept. All that matters is that "any other theme park is limited to using characters not currently being used by MCA at the time such other license is granted."
 

lebeau

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Disney could use Matt Ouimet again. Now, more than ever Disney Parks needs an advocate that cares about show quality.

Ouimet does "get it". While Cedar Fair doesn't seem to value "theme" in their amusement parks, they do get the importance of the guest experience. Under Ouimet, Cedar Fair finds ways to make money will putting guests first. Something Disney does not seem concerned with these days.

We were about to enter that queue when they closed the park early due to storms last Monday :(

Bummer.

I need to make some time to check it out this summer.
 

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