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Mansion stretch room too frightening for children
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Actually, if the OP had simply stated that the darkness scared her child, she would have gotten lots of sympathy. The problem arose when she stated that Disney should change the ride based on the fact that her daughter was scared. Two totally different things.
There are a LOT more screams and meltdowns from kids (and adults!!) in ITTBAB, but I haven't heard of anyone complaining on these forums that Disney needs to change that attraction.
Mine too, except that the minority now sues when they don't get their way, and unfortunately, sometimes win. They are not being nice and considerate to the rest of us. I am not, nor will I ever be "PC". People need to GET OVER IT.
NYwdwfan
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In a post filled with excellent points this was my favorite.
slappy magoo
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Well sometimes the minority is right, regardless of how you feel, but that's not an issue germane to this topic. Nor is "political correctness" really an issue because let's face it, it's not like the scream is followed by a racist or sexist epithet. It's a scream and total darkness for a few seconds in a Haunted Mansion. File that under "O" for "Of course." As for me, I only brought PC-ness up earlier, concerning Pirates, because it was a situation where lots of people agreed it was off-putting and built a consensus.
Of course, that consensus could have been started by one adult saying "this isn't right and needs to be changed!" too.
But it's one thing to talk about what's PC and another thing to talk about what's scary. My oldest tried Haunted Mansion 2 years ago. It scared her. At the time she said she didn't want to do it again. Now she's wavering, maybe she'll want to try it again, maybe not. Either way, she's totally down for Tower of Terror.
My youngest, still younger than her big sister was at the time she went on HM, CAN'T WAIT to try HM, but the idea of roller coasters, even little ones like barnstormer, forget it. Oh, and Winnie the Pooh scares her. Go figger.
At no point have I ever suggested rides need to be changed to accommodate my children's comfort levels.
Sorry, but no, it has been majority rules since our great country was formed. Just because something offends or a minority disagrees with something, NEVER makes it the right thing to do. Please tell me ONE time that the minority was right, and we the majority, had to go along with something that we didn't agree with.
CaptainAmerica
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Bull. The hanging scene would have to be completely removed according to the PC culture on college campuses, or at the very least carry a "trigger warning" for anyone who's experienced a suicide.
CaptainAmerica
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That's not true either. America is not a democracy and has never been a democracy. Many (most) of our founding fathers actively hated democracy. The preferences of the majority do not grant them, by virtue of their majority, the right to trample on the rights of the minority.
Of course that's irrelevant in this case because we're talking about a theme park ride, not fundamental rights to life, liberty, or property.
Po'Rich
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"The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society." --Thomas Jefferson to Pierre Samuel Dupont de Nemours, 1816
CaptainAmerica
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I do not say that democracy has been more pernicious on the whole, and in the long run, than monarchy or aristocracy. Democracy has never been and never can be so durable as aristocracy or monarchy; but while it lasts, it is more bloody than either.
- John Adams
slappy magoo
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"we the majority" presumes you're always in the majority on every issue. I'd bet dollars to donuts if there were an issue you felt passionately about, but you were in the minority, you'd still insist denying your right was tyranny.
I'll give a controversial example, but probably the best, and then I won't go further because of where we are, and this really isn't nor should it be a political discussion.
The public opinion on Roe v. Wade keeps shifting back and forth, sometimes pro-choice is more popular, sometimes not. Yet, the law isn't abolished every time the tide shifts to the right.
Now for the sake of all things Disney, let's both of us knock it off.
I agree that we'll knock it off. However, I'm not in the majority for many things, but never actively pursue the courts or legislation to change everyone's opinion to mine, as many minority groups are doing nowadays.
Last post here on this, I promise.
HRHPrincessAriel
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Agreed. You can't fault a 5 year old in what they find scary. That is what it is. To ask the company to change something because YOUR child is scared is what's baffling
ninjaprincesst
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Its just so stupid and 5 is waay to old to be scared. My two year old was terrified of bugs life. I told her suck it up buttercup made her go anyway now its one of her favorites
graphite1326
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My son was 6 when he first went on it. Didn't bother him a bit. There were other children present and have been the multiple times I have ridden. Never saw any have a problem. So you are not saying "all" children. You are saying change it for your child. But to be fair lets say 1% are frightened. So Disney should change the ride for 1% and "to bad" to the other 99% who enjoy the scene.
What if my child happens to think that the dark part is their favorite part of the attraction? I think they should add more dark parts.
Sans Souci
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That's really not a determination for you to make. Every child is different. The issue here is not whether a 5 year old should or shouldn't be frightened by HM, but rather, the parent's braying that it should be changed to accommodate her child.
lazyboy97o
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Slavery?
slappy magoo
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I thought along similar lines, but with no public polling at the time, I couldn't find info in the time I spent looking that confirmed that the Emancipation Proclamation was looked upon as a major PITA by a majority of Americans. A majority of then-Americans who then became members of the Confederacy, sure. I do think you're right, in that a majority of Americans at the time still supported slavery.
Perhaps a less-controverisal example than Roe V. Wade (and one I probably should have used instead) would be Loving v. Virginia. The Supreme Court prohibited the banning of interracial marriage in 1967, yet public was approval was only around 20%. It wasn't until the mid 80s that Gallup finally started producing polls that said more Americans approved rather than disapproved of it. And even then it wouldn't be until the mid-nineties that approval of interracial marriage would stop being a plurality and be recognized as a majority opinion in America.
I'm sure that @LuvtheGoof is not against interracial marriage. But there were indeed decades where it was legal, but not popular and not approved by a majority of Americans.
There. Now that I'm a big lousy hypocrite let THAT be the last I say on the sub-topic of minority opinion winning out on majority opinion. Sorry all. Back to the Haunted Mansion.
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