Man caught trying to enter Magic Kingdom with gun

[xdan0920]

Look man...you can't go around wanting evidence about things. If we're going to start requiring evidence to support conclusions about 30% of the threads here would dry up; some posters would just vaporize, never to be heard from again.

What evidence do you have to back up these claims?

 

[jakeman]

What evidence do you have to back up these claims?

84% of statistic are made up.

 

[jaklgreen]

Unless his plan was to do the damage inside? or he had a specific target in mind? or if he hadn't quite made up his mind to become a murderer?

The point is, the answer to all those questions stayed theoretical. Thank Superman for that. The much maligned "security theater" caught a criminal.

True. Look, I am glad they stopped him. I don't think anyone needs to carry a gun, especially to a theme park. This is not the wild west, where people needed guns for real protection. Guns are too available and way too easy to get by people who have no business carrying one. But with this case, I do not automatically assume he was there to shoot people up. I think it was a macho thing for him.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Unless his plan was to do the damage inside? or he had a specific target in mind? or if he hadn't quite made up his mind to become a murderer?

The point is, the answer to all those questions stayed theoretical. Thank Superman for that. The much maligned "security theater" caught a criminal.

He was caught out of luck, not the rigors of the system.

 

[raven]

One final point, I agree with above posters that it's time they make it mandatory for all

I agree; however, imagine the back up at the front of the parks. Unless there is a way to put them elsewhere.

I went to the team member preview of Halloween Horror Nights last year and they put metal detectors at the main gates. The line was backed up from the gate of Universal all the way into City Walk near the main open area by the fountain! It took 45 minutes of waiting just to get into the park that night.

 

[xdan0920]

He was caught out of luck, not the rigors of the system.

Would he have been caught without the current system?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Would he have been caught without the current system?

Possibly. Just like it was only a very small chance that he was caught with the current system.

 

[xdan0920]

Possibly. Just like it was only a very small chance that he was caught with the current system.

I mean, I guess.

So, if I may be so bold....

You believe that the odds of this criminal getting caught are the same with or without the current security apparatus?

 

[lazyboy97o]

I mean, I guess.

So, if I may be so bold....

You believe that the odds of this criminal getting caught are the same with or without without the current security apparatus?

Yes. At best, airports with more intense screening succeed in less that 10% of tests. The odds are far more likely that someone will be successful in bringing in a weapon than caught. The chances of catching someone who is planning to actual do something are even lower because they will plan around whatever screening is in place.

 

[Horizons '83]

84% of statistic are made up.

83% of the time I believe ...

 

[xdan0920]

Yes. At best, airports with more intense screening succeed in less that 10% of tests. The odds are far more likely that someone will be successful in bringing in a weapon than caught. The chances of catching someone who is planning to actual do something are even lower because they will plan around whatever screening is in place.

So, let's use your 10% number. No clue if it's accurate, but I'll assume it is for the sake of this discussion. Isn't that 10% more then the 0% that would be caught with no security?

 

[Florida_is_hot]

Really?! The security you complain about is what stopped someone yesterday. People would be dead if not for that security.
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So to @DisneyFans4Life 's comment, no, many of those people have not been quieted, as you can see above. They still push on with comments that sound even more idiotic after an incident like yesterday's.

I believe that, presently, the increased security creates a dangerous situation, as I posted about earlier. But security itself? It's saved lives. It's clearly doing good.

You do not know that.
But repealing the second amendment would save lives to but the USA is still filled with rednecks saying they need to be armed.
Fact American firearm death rates are almost three times higher than Canadian death

There are many chances for bad guys to hit the news.
Example Disney Marathon do what the guy in France did (maybe Disney should ban cars?)
Example put a bomb in one of the scooters people use when they are to fat to walk (maybe Disney should ban scooters?)

Live in fear if you must, I would rather just live.

 

[lazyboy97o]

So, let's use your 10% number. No clue if it's accurate, but I'll assume it is for the sake of this discussion. Isn't that 10% more then the 0% that would be caught with no security?

The 10% is the high end of tests, people just looking to see if a placed item is found. In no other scenario is that low of a success rate considered an all around success. Planning further reduces that number. People get guns through metal detectors and they are not the only means of killing people. Disney isn't preventing liquids from entering.

 

[Foltzy]

People must also consider that the detectors can serve as a deterrent. One who may be planning an attack could be turned away by the fact of knowing that they may be selected.

 

[xdan0920]

The 10% is the high end of tests, people just looking to see if a placed item is found. In no other scenario is that low of a success rate considered an all around success. Planning further reduces that number. People get guns through metal detectors and they are not the only means of killing people. Disney isn't preventing liquids from entering.

Right. I know they don't prevent everything. Or most things. What I am asking is, I guess, do they prevent some things? If the answer is yes, then I think it's a useful tool. If the answer is no, then remove it all.

 

[danlb_2000]

Ahh, what an interesting discussion this has become. When talking about rides and such, I usually don't post too many times on one subject, as it's annoying to hear the same person's opinion 20 times. But this is not a trivial matter, and so I feel it's worthy to discuss and argue further.



There is no "evidence," but one must ask, why else would a man would pose as a police officer to bring a gun into a theme park? Do you have any ideas? I don't. Sounds awfully suspicious to me.

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Wait, you are saying you have no evidence? You clearly said "People would be dead if not for that security", which means you are just trying to spread FUD. I am not defending the guy, but there is no reason to make this seem worse then it was.

As for a non-suspicious reason, maybe he just had a sense of entitlement since he was once a police officer and felt he should still be able to carry a weapon anywhere he wanted to.

 

[danlb_2000]

Look man...you can't go around wanting evidence about things. If we're going to start requiring evidence to support conclusions about 30% of the threads here would dry up; some posters would just vaporize, never to be heard from again.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

My god people, think of the children!!!! Every parent or partner should be carrying protection everywhere they go. I can't believe how unAmerican the Disney Co. is in it's blatantly unconstitutional actions therefore endangering all of our innocent children. Only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun. Wake up people!!!!

 

[RoysCabin]

True. Look, I am glad they stopped him. I don't think anyone needs to carry a gun, especially to a theme park. This is not the wild west, where people needed guns for real protection. Guns are too available and way too easy to get by people who have no business carrying one. But with this case, I do not automatically assume he was there to shoot people up. I think it was a macho thing for him.

The great irony of that is that back in the days of the "Wild West", if you rode into a mining town or what have you you were expected to turn in any and all firearms to the local sheriff's office, only to be reclaimed when you left town; hence why the guys carrying back then were usually sheriffs and deputies or outlaws. Obviously quite a different story for ranchers or other people on the periphery.

 

[garagely]

I think it's about time for everyone to go through the metal detectors. I got randomly chosen every time we went through at DL, didn't mind, would rather be safe.