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Man caught trying to enter Magic Kingdom with gun
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No Name
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Really?! The security you complain about is what stopped someone yesterday. People would be dead if not for that security.
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So to @DisneyFans4Life 's comment, no, many of those people have not been quieted, as you can see above. They still push on with comments that sound even more idiotic after an incident like yesterday's.
I believe that, presently, the increased security creates a dangerous situation, as I posted about earlier. But security itself? It's saved lives. It's clearly doing good.
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lazyboy97o
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It is still a waste. Nothing would have stopped something happening right there like at LAX or Brussels Airport.
Except that Universal Orlando Resort's security checkpoint is an even better target due to its location.
Like everywhere else, they don't and can't.
lazyboy97o
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No Name
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If there was no security at the park entrance, that man would've gotten in as he intended to. Fact. I don't intend to argue this much further, but it's clearly working and it more than likely saved lives yesterday.
I agree that they need to get rid of the buildup outside of security, because that is danegrous. But that problem needs to be solved by expanding the number of bag checks and metal detectors, or changing where security procedures takes place, or something. Not by getting rid of or lowering security altogether, as the two posters I quoted (oh and possibly you) seem to desire.
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Chef Mickey
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The social and racial questions no longer matter. Everyone needs to go through because you never know what psychopath will try something stupid.
lazyboy97o
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danlb_2000
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GhostHost1000
Premium Member
I've said this before in other discussions here but I'm really surprised they don't or haven't push back the security checking points to the mode of transportation entrances. The masses of people all bunched together in 1 spot specifically at MK could be a target before even entering the park (God forbid anything bad occurs). Not sure how this could be done though
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Don't get me wrong, I am very glad they stopped someone, who ill intended or not, was more than likely aware of park policy and chose to violate it. One of my sons teachers a few years ago would brag quite openly that he was for concealed weapons and carried one everywhere. I don't think he did at school but who knows? He told the kids he liked to frequent gun shows, and was proud of his gun toting.
I know people feel they have a right, and its more of a habit than an intent to harm, more an intent to protect self. I own no guns, never have never will....and I do not feel comfortable that people can carry them anywhere....there have to be boundaries and limits that all people respect. Otherwise try living somewhere where no rules apply and its every one for themselves....sigh. I wonder if he has been confronted for carrying a gun, even with a permit to do so, in another venue where it is forbidden. Can you ban him from the parks? Who knows what he intended....no weapons in parks means no GUNS in parks period.
I got pulled aside last Orlando airport return venture to go through full scan....smiling Mom with 2 kids and DH all wearing Disney t-shirts and carrying Disney bags, returning to point of origin one week later. Obviously not a sterotype, it made perfect sense to NOT be considered a threat, but while I am peeved my DH and children got through normal detector....it was bothersome to me....my son told me the viewer smiled oddly when I went through....how nice...
. Wish there was an easy answer but guns are around us more than we realize. 
Still going to Disney....booked flight to Disney 2 weeks after 9/11......will continue to live my life....
I know people feel they have a right, and its more of a habit than an intent to harm, more an intent to protect self. I own no guns, never have never will....and I do not feel comfortable that people can carry them anywhere....there have to be boundaries and limits that all people respect. Otherwise try living somewhere where no rules apply and its every one for themselves....sigh. I wonder if he has been confronted for carrying a gun, even with a permit to do so, in another venue where it is forbidden. Can you ban him from the parks? Who knows what he intended....no weapons in parks means no GUNS in parks period.
I got pulled aside last Orlando airport return venture to go through full scan....smiling Mom with 2 kids and DH all wearing Disney t-shirts and carrying Disney bags, returning to point of origin one week later. Obviously not a sterotype, it made perfect sense to NOT be considered a threat, but while I am peeved my DH and children got through normal detector....it was bothersome to me....my son told me the viewer smiled oddly when I went through....how nice...
. Wish there was an easy answer but guns are around us more than we realize. Still going to Disney....booked flight to Disney 2 weeks after 9/11......will continue to live my life....
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EOD K9
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In regards to magnetometers, they are passive and post no danger to pregnant women. I don't know if they can opt for a pat down. As far as the intentions of the aforementioned gun toting creep, he could have wanted to do something in the park. We don't know. Nobody knows for sure about the statement of, "If he wanted to do something, it would have happened at the gate". Either way, a person who should not have had a gun was stopped and nothing happened. Happy ending.
Foltzy
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We don't know for sure if he had malicious intent. Yes we can probably think that because he was trying to get into the park by posing as an officer. However, like many before stated, if he really wanted to do damage, why wouldn't he have done it at the gate.
All in all, Disney security did their job and kept a guy out of the park who shouldn't be in there
All in all, Disney security did their job and kept a guy out of the park who shouldn't be in there
cdeev8690
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I'm even more impressed that security, instead of taking his credentials and allowing him to pass- which may have been the less awkward thing for them personally (or whatever they would have done if his creds were cleared - not sure if even off duty cops are allowed to carry weapons and multiple rounds of ammo into the parks...) they still had the smarts to call the department he claimed to work for to confirm his credentials.
I agree with others that Disney should adopt the same bag and metal detector scanners as Universal has. Yes, it may take away from your precious Touring Plan but where can you go these days without having to go through extra security? Going to a baseball game or trying to see your favorite band play at a club in your city, there's wands, bag checks, etc etc. It's the reality of this world and unfortunately Disney has to admit that they're part of it
I agree with others that Disney should adopt the same bag and metal detector scanners as Universal has. Yes, it may take away from your precious Touring Plan but where can you go these days without having to go through extra security? Going to a baseball game or trying to see your favorite band play at a club in your city, there's wands, bag checks, etc etc. It's the reality of this world and unfortunately Disney has to admit that they're part of it
No Name
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Ahh, what an interesting discussion this has become. When talking about rides and such, I usually don't post too many times on one subject, as it's annoying to hear the same person's opinion 20 times. But this is not a trivial matter, and so I feel it's worthy to discuss and argue further.
There is no "evidence," but one must ask, why else would a man would pose as a police officer to bring a gun into a theme park? Do you have any ideas? I don't. Sounds awfully suspicious to me.
So there certainly is a possibility that he intended to shoot people. I'd say it's likely based on the situation, but that's up for interpretation, I guess. Anyway, security thankfully prevented us from ever knowing if that was his intention or not.
I happen to believe it was worth preventing that possibility.
Well yeah, that's more difficult to prevent against, and would actually require hiring additional security officers or having a better system in place.
But someone could shoot others anywhere. At a hotel, in a parking lot, at a golf course, at Disney Springs. But the MK is a bigger target. Crowded places are also bigger targets. Lessening the heavy crowds right outside of the Magic Kingdom would likely discourage a psychopath from shooting or bombing, because his act or terror would be less effective.
It could do little harm to remove lines and crowds at security, while it could have a big effect. What are the drawbacks to removing lines at security, and do those really outdo the benefits? Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't think so.
Would take some redesigning of the TTC and the hotel monorail stations (since people can get to MK from the monorail hotels). But I think it would be a good plan. Would hopefully prevent a person from even getting in front of the park with a gun.
There is no "evidence," but one must ask, why else would a man would pose as a police officer to bring a gun into a theme park? Do you have any ideas? I don't. Sounds awfully suspicious to me.
So there certainly is a possibility that he intended to shoot people. I'd say it's likely based on the situation, but that's up for interpretation, I guess. Anyway, security thankfully prevented us from ever knowing if that was his intention or not.
I happen to believe it was worth preventing that possibility.
Well yeah, that's more difficult to prevent against, and would actually require hiring additional security officers or having a better system in place.
But someone could shoot others anywhere. At a hotel, in a parking lot, at a golf course, at Disney Springs. But the MK is a bigger target. Crowded places are also bigger targets. Lessening the heavy crowds right outside of the Magic Kingdom would likely discourage a psychopath from shooting or bombing, because his act or terror would be less effective.
It could do little harm to remove lines and crowds at security, while it could have a big effect. What are the drawbacks to removing lines at security, and do those really outdo the benefits? Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't think so.
Would take some redesigning of the TTC and the hotel monorail stations (since people can get to MK from the monorail hotels). But I think it would be a good plan. Would hopefully prevent a person from even getting in front of the park with a gun.
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jaklgreen
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Why would they refuse to go through? Its a metal detector not an x-ray machine.
admiral-ari-x
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I would assume the addition was fairly recent, but that's a madly smart idea. How long has Disney had the metal detectors? If they've had them for a few months at thus point, I really don't see why they haven't stopped random selections. Very glad to know that they can detect threats, though.We went to Universal for a couple hours last Sunday, and they now have bag scanners (not sure how recent this addition is, we hadn't been in a couple months). It was nice not having to deal with someone poking in your purse/bag. They would send it through while you walked through the metal detector and you were on your way. Well, except for the nitwit girl on front of me who refused to stop talking on her phone while she went through...
jaklgreen
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You don't know that he intended to shoot anyone. He could have been one of those people who carry a gun because they have the "its my right to be able to carry a gun" mentality. You know, like half of Texas.
He could have been a vigilante and wanting to be able to "protect us" from terrorists. Who knows. I would think if he just wanted to randomly shoot people he would have pulled his gun out there and started shooting.
lazyboy97o
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jakeman
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Look man...you can't go around wanting evidence about things. If we're going to start requiring evidence to support conclusions about 30% of the threads here would dry up; some posters would just vaporize, never to be heard from again.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Unless his plan was to do the damage inside? or he had a specific target in mind? or if he hadn't quite made up his mind to become a murderer?
The point is, the answer to all those questions stayed theoretical. Thank Superman for that. The much maligned "security theater" caught a criminal.