Man caught trying to enter Magic Kingdom with gun

[CJR]

This makes no sense. We have no indication what the guy's intent was either way. So they could have prevented something bad from happening.

It's such a weird set of goal post considering the best outcomes is for the bad thing to never get started, not containment once it has.

I think it's a matter of common sense. Most people are unlikely to do anything bad and nothing seriously bad happened (he could have fired away right there if he wanted to do something bad). He comes across as a thrill seeker to me, who was trying to see how much he could get away with.

Given it's against policy, which he knew about, I'm sure, they were right to enforce it, but it's nothing to brag about, in my opinion. The media attention comes across as silly to me.

You're right that preventing things is good, my problem here is people are slipping through the line all the time without being checked. What's to stop a terrorist from hiding a gun with his child, who is unlikely to be randomly selected by current standards? It's unlikely for a child to have one, but it could happen since they'd simply be doing what they're told by people they trust. People are crazy and I don't think anything should ever be ruled out.

The security process at Disney is flawed and they need to select everyone that way no guest is in the park with a gun or any other weapon. For all we know, while Disney security was watching this guy five people slipped through since they weren't randomly selected. Nothing happened, but why take the risk? Money?

 

[mimitchi33]

Thank goodness he was stopped before he did any harm! Disney seems to be great at stopping people who might shoot up the park. Great job, and keep up the good work.

 

[Mawg]

What did he really get arrested for? Did he break a US or FL law by trying to carry a Gun in or did he break a WDW rule which would get you kicked out. If he was arrested it was probably for impersonating a Police Officer or not having a concealed carry permit (not sure what the concealed carry laws are in FL).

Did the metal detector actually catch him, I thought the article said he told them he had a gun before he went through the metal detector.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they were able to keep a gun out of the magic kingdom. I think it is an over statement to say this guy would have shot up the place if he had gotten in. If he had wanted to do something bad with the Gun, I would think he would have pulled it and used it or ran once he found out he was going through the metal detector. Instead he told them he had it, seems like the biggest mistake he made was tell them he was a cop when he got a little scared.

Maybe I don't understand the FL laws but if someone tries to bring a Gun in and they get caught and they have a license for it, I would think the most they could do is tell you to go put it in your Car. Maybe they could say, don't come back for breaking our rules.

 

[Vaughn4380]

Maybe I don't understand the FL laws but if someone tries to bring a Gun in and they get caught and they have a license for it, I would think the most they could do is tell you to go put it in your Car. Maybe they could say, don't come back for breaking our rules.

That is my understanding of the CCW laws in Florida and Ohio. As long as you have a valid permit, the most a property owner can do is ask you to leave their property as you have broken no laws. Should you refuse to leave, then you get into a trespassing situation and could easily be arrested. I am guessing this guy did not have a permit, and since he is not active law enforcement (and not retired) he does not qualify for carrying a concealed gun without a permit. Just an educated guess on my part, but both carrying a firearm concealed without a permit and impersonating an officer are likely charges.


ETA: For the actual article in the OP: "Kevin Webb, 42, was charged with carrying a concealed firearm and falsely personating an officer in the Monday morning incident."

 

[MrHappy]

Aside from the slightly dyslexic subhead from "clickorlando" (Officers say Arkansas was man terminated from police department years earlier), and the irony that Cletus is the OP, this thread is doomed. Is ClickOrlando reputable - most of their stories seem sensationalized? No matter.... I agreed with most here that park entry: set-up, flow, security should be adjusted. Actually more than just adjusted. The current setup with make shift ropes, umbrella and tables doesn't scream well oil security machine. The parks need to analyze the flow and install permanent fixtures, for example, large planters with decorative fencing to act as aisles - they can double as protection and shelter in the case of the dreaded 'shootings the park entry lines' that many here mention.

 

[jakeman]

I think it's a matter of common sense. Most people are unlikely to do anything bad and nothing seriously bad happened (he could have fired away right there if he wanted to do something bad). He comes across as a thrill seeker to me, who was trying to see how much he could get away with.

Given it's against policy, which he knew about, I'm sure, they were right to enforce it, but it's nothing to brag about, in my opinion. The media attention comes across as silly to me.

You're right that preventing things is good, my problem here is people are slipping through the line all the time without being checked. What's to stop a terrorist from hiding a gun with his child, who is unlikely to be randomly selected by current standards? It's unlikely for a child to have one, but it could happen since they'd simply be doing what they're told by people they trust. People are crazy and I don't think anything should ever be ruled out.

The security process at Disney is flawed and they need to select everyone that way no guest is in the park with a gun or any other weapon. For all we know, while Disney security was watching this guy five people slipped through since they weren't randomly selected. Nothing happened, but why take the risk? Money?

You know...I had a whole response typed up to this but then I got to your last line and realized you're just pushing an agenda with hyperbole. So peace out.

 

[Cletus]

and the irony that Cletus is the OP,

For the record, I don't own any guns.

 

[mf1972]

a few things come to my mind on this topic, but I'll just say job well done to the security personnel for doing their job & keeping guests safe. thanks.

 

[MrHappy]

For the record, I don't own any guns.

HAHA! Well played

 

[CJR]

You know...I had a whole response typed up to this but then I got to your last line and realized you're just pushing an agenda with hyperbole. So peace out.

I'm asking that WDW step up and be safe rather than just making people feel safe. If that's an agenda, I'm proud to support it.

Everyone needs to walk through metal detectors and have their bags checked or it's not really as safe as it could be. This "news story" does nothing to satisfy my concern.

There really isn't any news to report here other than security did their job at the front of the park with a guy who, from what I'm reading, complied after he got caught. If he put up a fight with them, the article didn't convey that. Rather easy work for a news story.

 

[Mawg]

We definitely have all the facts to come to one conclusion.
Fact: He was carrying a gun without a concealed carry permit
Fact: He was trying to enter the Magic Kingdom
Fact: He was asked to go through a metal detector
Fact: He alerted authorities he had a gun once asked to go through the metal detectors
Fact: He impersonated a police officer
Fact: He did not use the gun outside the gate
Fact: Normal people exists inside and outside the gate
Fact: Characters are inside the gate and not outside
Fact: My conclusion would be sarcasm and not really worth finishing.

 

[PhotoDave219]

ALSO... arrested for Impersonating a Police Officer.

 

[DisneyCane]

I wonder what the policy is for expectant mothers refusing to go through the detectors?

Why would they refuse? It's a metal detector, not an x-ray. The FDA finds no issue with pregnant women going through them. TSA doesn't exempt pregnant women. They do give the option (that everybody has) to get a pat down instead.

Their whole process is stupid. The bag checks are useless without doing x-ray. Random selection is also useless. Either go full bore with airport style screening for everybody or don't do anything. Even the TSA isn't all that great at screening but at least doing it that way gives you a much higher likelihood of finding things.

Besides, if this guy (or anybody else) wanted to use a gun to kill people, he could have just pulled it out and started shooting right there at the entrance.

Finally, the title of this thread is a little misleading. He was caught because he was trying to bring a gun into the MK but it seems he was arrested for carrying a concealed weapon without a license and impersonating a police officer.

If he had a proper concealed carry permit, they could have refused him entry and made him either surrender the gun or take it off property but there is no crime of carrying a weapon into the MK.

 

[Cletus]

Finally, the title of this thread is a little misleading. He was caught because he was trying to bring a gun into the MK but it seems he was arrested for carrying a concealed weapon without a license and impersonating a police officer.

I fixed it for you.

 

[Tinkwings]

Park regulations say no weapons even toys....
"Weapons of any kind, or objects that appear to be weapons (also including toy blasters, squirt guns, etc.) "

I googled weapons at walt Disney world and saw a few posts of people bragging about how they always carry their gun with them....and one how uncomfortable it was for him on rides....and how he felt people, specifically children bumping into him, were molesting him because they were coming in contact with his gun....I was going to post link but the language became quite strong and offensive. He did have an attitude that he could protect people in case of incident.... Sigh. I then had to laugh as someone responded a gun was not necessary because Gaston would of course save you...... (Noone fights like Gaston...)

May not be a "law" but wish it was for public amusement parks.....unsure how often they stop people and have them leave park. There are a lot of things not allowed in parks....but personally I don't feel threatened by someone carrying around a selfie stick.....just annoyed.

 

[GeneralZod]

Really?! The security you complain about is what stopped someone yesterday. People would be dead if not for that security..

Just wow. You should consider changing your name to SensationalistSnowflakeSheep.

 

[superchc80]

I wonder what the policy is for expectant mothers refusing to go through the detectors?

I can't speak for pregnant ladies, as I am not pregnant, however... while I was visiting the parks a few weeks ago, I was randomly selected to go in the metal detector. My 2 kiddos (6 and 8) and I were just popping into the park for a few rides during that evening EMH so I didn't have their Dad or another adult with me. There was a very large crowd of people shuffling about the area and I didn't feel comfortable leaving my kids unattended even for a minute or two. So, I went to pull them into the "secured" area with me and was told by a security guy that they could not come in with me "because they weren't randomly selected". I just looked at him for a minute and just calmly and simply stated that I wasn't comfortable letting them hang out alone while waiting for me because of the mass of people coming and going. Another security guy had obviously overheard me and approached to ask if I would be okay being "wanded" instead. Umm...yeah! So kids stayed with me and they just ran the wand over me a few times and we were on our way. Very kind and simple solution for an anxious Mama. Every one leaves happy. I imagine that anyone that would have issue or difficulty with the metal detector could ask for this option instead.

 

[kparn]

On my trip last month I was "randomly selected" at all four theme parks to go through the metal detector. It's time for everyone to go through.

I was too in May. I am also DVC member and Annual Pass. On first day, I had gone to AK just to purchase new TIW card. I was selected to go through screening just to go to Guest Services. I thought it was peculiar, but everyday for the rest of the week...I was "randomly" selected

 

[EOD K9]

Some pregnant women are unaware that magnetometers are passive. They feel that it may harm their unborn child. So, they opt not to go through it.

 

[draybook]

I'm just here to remind folks that real terrorists don't use pocket pea shooters. I'll go through mandatory detectors for everyone if that blankey makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, but it's really not the best solution.