Major 2015 Pirates of the Caribbean Refurbishment Watch/Rumor.

tirian

tirian

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Tony the Tigger said:
You don't have the authority to correct anyone on that, but your opinion is as valid as everyone else's.
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Wrong.

All opinions aren't valid if they contradict proven facts.

It is historical fact that Walt didn't believe in aiming only for kids. "If you aim for kids, you're dead," is one of his most famous quotes. His follow-up statement—"The kid in all of us"—refers to a state of mind, not a level of quality.

It is a documented fact that WDI historically believed in an almost impossible standard of quality. Their best projects involved years of research, experimentation, and exploration, all of which culminated in themed environments that were constructed to the highest possible degree with the most cutting-edge technology available. DL, MK, Epcot Center, DLP, DAK, and TDS were obviously not intended to merely entertain kids.

Old-school Imagineers and younger creatives from Disney and Universal would argue that everyone's opinion is NOT valid, because decades of successful theme park design and documentation have proven there is a way that works, and a way that fails. DCA 1.0 versus 2.0 exemplifies the Disney Difference.
 
bhg469

bhg469

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tirian said:
Wrong.

All opinions aren't valid if they contradict proven facts.

It is historical fact that Walt didn't believe in aiming only for kids. "If you aim for kids, you're dead," is one of his most famous quotes. His follow-up statement—"The kid in all of us"—refers to a state of mind, not a level of quality.

It is a documented fact that WDI historically believed in an almost impossible standard of quality. Their best projects involved years of research, experimentation, and exploration, all of which culminated in themed environments that were constructed to the highest possible degree with the most cutting-edge technology available. DL, MK, Epcot Center, DLP, DAK, and TDS were obviously not intended to merely entertain kids.

Old-school Imagineers and younger creatives from Disney and Universal would argue that everyone's opinion is NOT valid, because decades of successful theme park design and documentation have proven there is a way that works, and a way that fails. DCA 1.0 versus 2.0 exemplifies the Disney Difference.
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If it was all about kids, they would just hand the toddlers a giant cardboard box when they walked in.
 
Tony the Tigger

Tony the Tigger

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tirian said:
Wrong.

All opinions aren't valid if they contradict proven facts.

It is historical fact that Walt didn't believe in aiming only for kids. "If you aim for kids, you're dead," is one of his most famous quotes. His follow-up statement—"The kid in all of us"—refers to a state of mind, not a level of quality.

It is a documented fact that WDI historically believed in an almost impossible standard of quality. Their best projects involved years of research, experimentation, and exploration, all of which culminated in themed environments that were constructed to the highest possible degree with the most cutting-edge technology available. DL, MK, Epcot Center, DLP, DAK, and TDS were obviously not intended to merely entertain kids.

Old-school Imagineers and younger creatives from Disney and Universal would argue that everyone's opinion is NOT valid, because decades of successful theme park design and documentation have proven there is a way that works, and a way that fails. DCA 1.0 versus 2.0 exemplifies the Disney Difference.
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You're really proving my point about people taking things too seriously. It sounds like you're talking about a religion.

I am an adult with no children who goes to Disney World several times a year. I am well aware of the appeal to adults.

You're taking one phrase and blowing things out of proportion.

But that seems typical around here.

I will never have respect for snobs, know it alls, or people who feel the need to dominate a simple message board as if they speak to Walt. You can split hairs all you want, you've already lost my point. Arguing over whether or not Pirates of the Caribbean is a kiddie ride is buffoonery, and I'm really tired of wasting my time on this.

If you don't appreciate my opinions, please please feel free to use the ignore feature. I'm not here to argue with snobs. I'm here to have very lax chat with people who are excited about visiting a place I like to visit. I'm here to learn a few tips or what not, which I already have.

I have no use for a you know what contest with the likes of you or any other purists or fanatics or people who fancy themselves experts. It's utterly obnoxious and certainly not fun or fulfilling.

All because I stated my opinion that some people are too upset about little things that don't matter unless you want to emphasize them.

I am a grown up, and I have other things in my life besides this. Tragically, it sounds like some of you don't.

Moving along and ignoring the thread of the bitter, jaded "experts."

Next.
 
Miss Heinous

Miss Heinous

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Tony the Tigger said:
You're really proving my point about people taking things too seriously. It sounds like you're talking about a religion.

I am an adult with no children who goes to Disney World several times a year. I am well aware of the appeal to adults.

You're taking one phrase and blowing things out of proportion.

But that seems typical around here.

I will never have respect for snobs, know it alls, or people who feel the need to dominate a simple message board as if they speak to Walt. You can split hairs all you want, you've already lost my point. Arguing over whether or not Pirates of the Caribbean is a kiddie ride is buffoonery, and I'm really tired of wasting my time on this.

If you don't appreciate my opinions, please please feel free to use the ignore feature. I'm not here to argue with snobs. I'm here to have very lax chat with people who are excited about visiting a place I like to visit. I'm here to learn a few tips or what not, which I already have.

I have no use for a you know what contest with the likes of you or any other purists or fanatics or people who fancy themselves experts. It's utterly obnoxious and certainly not fun or fulfilling.

All because I stated my opinion that some people are too upset about little things that don't matter unless you want to emphasize them.

I am a grown up, and I have other things in my life besides this. Tragically, it sounds like some of you don't.

Moving along and ignoring the thread of the bitter, jaded "experts."

Next.
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So are you angry because you don't know anything about the parks, or because you were proven wrong?
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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bhg469 said:
If it was all about kids, they would just hand the toddlers a giant cardboard box when they walked in.
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Well, wasnt that what happened with SuperStar Limo at DCA? :hilarious:
good thing they now have Cars Land.
Endor Sightseer said:
It's a shame that the ride will reopen with less AAs than when it originally opened.
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has this been confirmed?
Weren't they fixing almost all the lost effects?
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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Tony the Tigger said:
and I'm really tired of wasting my time on this.
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You're the one continuing this silly discussion.. trying to push your opinion above others.


Tony the Tigger said:
Moving along and ignoring the thread of the bitter, jaded "experts."

Next.
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bakntime

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tirian said:
Wrong.

All opinions aren't valid if they contradict proven facts.

It is historical fact that Walt didn't believe in aiming only for kids. "If you aim for kids, you're dead," is one of his most famous quotes. His follow-up statement—"The kid in all of us"—refers to a state of mind, not a level of quality.
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Yet Walt built attractions like Casey Jr, Storybook Land Canal boats, Dumbo, King Arthur Carousel, and most of the rest of DL's Fantasyland. And the Midgit Autopia, for example, was literally only for children. Sure, adults do ride some of those attractions today even if they don't have children, but those attractions are squarely aimed at children. Not to say that's not fine or that adults can't enjoy them, too, but there were plenty of attractions that Walt built where small children were clearly the intended audience. The point is that there are very few adults without children riding those attractions.

(I know that probably wasn't the point of the trending discussion, but it seemed relevant.)

It is a documented fact that WDI historically believed in an almost impossible standard of quality. Their best projects involved years of research, experimentation, and exploration, all of which culminated in themed environments that were constructed to the highest possible degree with the most cutting-edge technology available. DL, MK, Epcot Center, DLP, DAK, and TDS were obviously not intended to merely entertain kids.

Old-school Imagineers and younger creatives from Disney and Universal would argue that everyone's opinion is NOT valid, because decades of successful theme park design and documentation have proven there is a way that works, and a way that fails. DCA 1.0 versus 2.0 exemplifies the Disney Difference.
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I think you're getting caught up in semantics here. You're using the word "opinion" in terms of a business situation, while I think others are mostly referring to opinion as a synonym for "preference". In other words, "it's my opinion that this attraction is fun." You can't be wrong about that. Whereas, "It's my opinion that this attraction would be successful" could lead to issues if you're designing the attraction and you have nothing else to go on but personal preference. But that's a business environment where you're making moves that impact things. When I say "I love _____," that's what most people mean by opinion, and that's where I can't be "wrong."

What I'm saying is that the word opinion has slightly different meanings in different contexts, and I think taking the word "opinion" out of context and/or using it in different ways causes the debate to become one of trivialities.
 
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tirian

tirian

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Because I don't want to derail this thread any further, my response will be brief.

Of course some of the attractions are intended for young children. The point is that all attractions aren't meant solely for preschoolers, and someone cannot waive the Imagineers' poor decisions and say, "Well, it's all for kids anyway."

Regarding semantics, you misread my post and missed my point; but your response is quite eloquent, and I appreciate that.


bakntime said:
Yet Walt built attractions like Casey Jr, Storybook Land Canal boats, Dumbo, King Arthur Carousel, and most of the rest of DL's Fantasyland. And the Midgit Autopia, for example, was literally only for children. Sure, adults do ride some of those attractions today even if they don't have children, but those attractions are squarely aimed at children. Not to say that's not fine or that adults can't enjoy them, too, but there were plenty of attractions that Walt built where small children were clearly the intended audience. The point is that there are very few adults without children riding those attractions.

(I know that probably wasn't the point of the trending discussion, but it seemed relevant.)


I think you're getting caught up in semantics here. You're using the word "opinion" in terms of a business situation, while I think others are mostly referring to opinion as a synonym for "preference". In other words, "it's my opinion that this attraction is fun." You can't be wrong about that. Whereas, "It's my opinion that this attraction would be successful" could lead to issues if you're designing the attraction and you have nothing else to go on but personal preference. But that's a business environment where you're making moves that impact things. When I say "I love _____," that's what most people mean by opinion, and that's where I can't be "wrong."

What I'm saying is that the word opinion has slightly different meanings in different contexts, and I think taking the word "opinion" out of context and/or using it in different ways causes the debate to become one of trivialities.
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