alissafalco
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Thank you @MarkTwain for your hard work. Sorry if this has been asked already, but why are they filling in the moat with grass? it seems as though they could have kept the water with the new pathways.
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Main Street U.S.A. hub redevelopment at the Magic Kingdom
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SpectroMan93
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The southern part of the moat is being filled in with grass as part of the FP+ viewing area. Though, some report that the moat will still connect all around, and goes under the viewing area.
danlb_2000
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Assuming this permit is for this project, which is likely, it has an expiration date of 11/17/2015.
1200 Market, 1402A Magic Kingdom Dr, 1402B Magic Kingdom Dr, 3780 CO1 North World Dr, 3780 CO2 North World Dr, 3780 CO3 North World Dr - Hub Hardscape Refresh
ToTBellHop
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That seems like a reasonable timescale for Disney. It has to progress relatively slowly and in sections since they can't have the hub as a giant dirt mound with walls around it at any one time. Instead will have small dirt mounds with limited areas of walls for the next 18 months
The crowd issues at the MK will get worse before they'll get better.
HM Spectre
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I absolutely hate losing green space but it's hard to deny this is a needed change. As fun as it is getting trampled half to death going to and from the fireworks on a busy night, it really isn't. I won't mind being able to navigate without a motorized scooter running me over or getting stuck in a half-hour bottleneck shoulder-to-shoulder with a bunch of guests in need of a shower.
There's just too much that goes on in the hub right now to handle today's crowds, so it makes sense. I just hope they do it well, tastefully and throw a little bit of green in there for us old fashioned types who don't want a big parking lot in front of the castle.
There's just too much that goes on in the hub right now to handle today's crowds, so it makes sense. I just hope they do it well, tastefully and throw a little bit of green in there for us old fashioned types who don't want a big parking lot in front of the castle.
NormC
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I think this is a great plan. It seems to offer something for everyone. Better traffic flow, more capacity. Two new bridges to keep people moving. A faster exit for those that bail after the fireworks leaving more space for those of us who chose to stay. Landscaping and fountains. More viewing area for WIshes. Yes we may lose a couple trees, some may be just relocated or replaced with shorter varieties but the moat remains intact although narrowed at the Main street side of the hub. You can't expect them to put in new attractions and increase park capacity if the people cannot move through this current bottleneck.
NormC
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I doubt they're going to find their way there.
lazyboy97o
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Maybe it is more than just additions elsewhere, but further changes in ticketing structures that encourage people to go to and stay at the other parks. The gap between Tokyo Disneyland and Tokyo DisneySEA is not nearly as large as that of the other Disneylands and their respective second gates.
Depends. Landscaping is a must have. First class too. Anything less in this location will be a grave error.
The more I see of the east bypass the more it looks cheap. It needs to match what's on the other side of the buildings.
This project needs doing. No doubting it. But it needs doing properly. And I won't comment on the Fastpass+ element.
...not to mention give anyone with a negative / realistic view of anything a bad name in the process.
I can't believe after all these years I'm agreeing with you
Soarin' Over Pgh
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I agree.
I'm wondering what the MS bypasses are going to look like though. Are they going to make 'sidestreets' and actually theme them with storefronts/faux storefronts or will it literally be a lit walkway with nothing leading to the park entrance?
I'm rather fond of the photoshopped images a few pages back- I think it's a good idea and will hopefully cut down on congestion- but only if the side streets/bypasses are also done and done well enough for people to want to walk there on their way out instead of down MS.
People are sentimental, there's something about walking down MS at the end of a long day, it's closure on a (hopefully) fantastic day.
From what I've seen more of a lit walkway with a bit of grass, planting and fencing.
wannab@dis
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We've agreed many times over the years. Maybe not in the majority, but it has happened....not to mention give anyone with a negative / realistic view of anything a bad name in the process.
I can't believe after all these years I'm agreeing with you
Where we disagree is when the focus is down in the weeds. Too often the realistic view is trampled by hyperbole and overt negative / alarmist viewpoint.
ToTBellHop
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Maybe it'll be dark and gloomy like Knockturn Alley, with creepers selling items that would be forbidden on Main Street, like alcohol and Captain America shields.
"Don't you DARE try to sneak into the FP+ viewing area for Disney Wishes+!"
Scuttle
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This would not be needed if they would have added a couple of high demand E Tickets to the upper west end(frontierland expansion) and upper east end( the joke that is storybook circus). They don't get that high demand attractions can distribute crowds. Let's be real nothing will solve the problems in late December regardless, but for most of the year more high demand attractions would solve the problem.
As usual, Martin speaks the truth.
Going beyond that, though, this project is completely consistent with so much of what Disney is actually working on these days -- getting more out of what's already there, rather than building new stuff. It's brilliant, if it works. Improve guest satisfaction, and therefore repeat business, by making it easier and more pleasant for guests to enjoy what is already in the parks. That's a lot cheaper than building new attractions, and probably decreases operations dollars rather than increasing them.
The theory (business person speak here, not guest speak) is that guests, particularly at MK, already do not do everything in the parks that they would like to do, in part because there isn't enough time to do it. New attractions are expensive, and will displace other activities, but not increase the amount of things people can enjoy. Instead, we have a project that makes getting around the park easier, allows more people to get a prime view of the fireworks and brand new parade, costs precious little (in comparison to a new attraction), and will allow a bunch of people to leave the park without the distaste of horrible crowding. Maybe the saved time lets them get in an extra ride or do a little more shopping. Maybe the improved viewing means they enjoy the fireworks/parade even more. And and easy exit vs getting trampled is a significant improvement.
Many have said that this is the kind of thing that happens when bean-counters run the show. But that's not right. This is what happens when efficiency is the prime motivator. For people like us, who want more and better attractions, it's disappointing. But from an operations standpoint, it's brilliant.
ToTBellHop
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I don't think it's a lack of understanding. Disney isn't run by idiots. It's run by very intelligent people who want to produce the best guest ratings for the least money. In part, I can understand them. They approve a large sum of money for New Fantasyland and we see what is delivered by WDI. And we know how reviews of New Fantasyland are. I'm not sure I'd be eager to spend lots of money on new rides either. If I had just spent $80,000,000 on Mermaid, I might also be looking for cheaper ways to disperse crowds. Maybe if they could build rides at Universal Creative's prices, we'd get more than shrubs and toilets.
The Empress Lilly
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EPCOT's hub was similarly redone. Parts of the moat turned into walkways, extra facilities added, greenery removed.
We are still not laughing about it.
jimbo mack
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Shame to lose some water and greenery but a needed change I imagine.
Scuttle
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I didn't have to time to finish my post. My other point is they haven't added a legit E Ticket since 1992! I see your point about the FLE,but that's no excuse for the neglect in the 90's and 2000's. If they would have added ONE high demand ride every 7 years we wouldn't be in this spot I assert.