MAGICal DLP News, Rumours & Thoughts

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
The nice pavement is a game changer for WDSP.

Tokyo Disneyland is probably the park that could use a flooring update the most now.

Despite complaining in the distant past that WDSP felt like a carnival erected on a French Parking lot/farm field... I actually never connected the dots that some of the problem was the pavement.

It's funny how much pavement can both go unnoticed, but also makes a difference. Who knew fun with floors Zach Ridley was right all along.
 

Disone

Well-Known Member
Oh he definitely was right. People flaming Zach Ridley online, someone who genuinely did care about the parks, was just so wrong and wild to me.

I get it that people were frustrated that Disney had delayed so many projects due to COVID, but the hate he got was so undeserved.

Look at photos of Magic Kingdom’s Frontierland versus Paris’. The pavement at DLP is very detailed like New Fantasyland, and beyond just being the better land it adds so much to the authenticity than bland black, green, or red pavement.

Pavement is likely the most under discussed aspect of quality design.
You're absolutely right and Magic Kingdom needs a concrete plan to replace it all🙂
 

Bernswss

New Member
Oh he definitely was right. People flaming Zach Ridley online, someone who genuinely did care about the parks, was just so wrong and wild to me.

I get it that people were frustrated that Disney had delayed so many projects due to COVID, but the hate he got was so undeserved.

Look at photos of Magic Kingdom’s Frontierland versus Paris’. The pavement at DLP is very detailed like New Fantasyland, and beyond just being the better land it adds so much to the authenticity than bland black, green, or red pavement.

Pavement is likely the most under discussed aspect of quality design.
Pavements truly matter a lot when it comes to the land. Disneyland Park has been getting new pavements in Fantasyland for years now and they look amazing (still a work in progress in some parts). I'd say Discoveryland needs it the most now.

Another place that's seeing a similar pavement transformation is Village, which will finally get rid of the awful and dirty ones that have been there for many years. The World Premiere section will definitely get a light reskin, but with the new pavements, greenery and trees it'll look 10 times better! Can't wait to see the finished product in less than a year now!
 

Markiewong

Well-Known Member
You can really see the difference with what concrete/tiles if you compare the mainstreets of Magic Kingdom and Paris. Its not just the castle thats more beautiful ;).

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I've said it multiple times already, the lineup of attractions in Studios isn't that bad, its the parts inbetween that need to be fixed and it needs a lot of additional capacity in toilets/foods/shops and small things to do.
 

Disone

Well-Known Member
Agree to disagree, mostly. To your second point, legally speaking yes, but the industry as a whole delayed projects, and theme parks weren’t the only industry to do so.

Hindsight is 20/20 though, but remember that there was a time when there was no idea if it would even be possible to return to vacations, and from a business perspective I totally understand pausing/delaying everything as they were bleeding through cash. Now that doesn’t justify the level of delay for projects like TRON and the Festival Center, and it certainly left money on the table, but it’s sort of ingenuous to think projects weren’t going to be massively impacted while the parks remained shuttered or at bare bones capacity.
Hummmmm. IDK.... Universal, were they not in a place where they could have also been bleeding money too. Maybe they were positioned better financially for the pandemic but nonetheless instead of pulling back on projects they paused and then Hit the gas pedal.

I used to think that part of the problem Disney was dealing with was finding enough construction companies to build the projects. But the speed and quickness in which epic universe is being built puts that theory to rest. Plenty of construction crews were available.

Disney chose to save money now rather than invest now, taking advantage of lower construction costs. Then once Disney finally did start ramping back up, Construction costs soared. Anticipation continue to build and then finally 5 years of anticipation, and Tron just could not deliver.

Sadly I don't think Disney will have anything to counter Epic universe in 2025 or 2026. Barring dusting off the main Street electrical parade, again, Even if they start a major attraction the molasses pace on which they insist on building things would ensure it wouldn't open for at least 2 or 3 years which places it solidly in late 26 or early '27. And that's being optimistic.

So the only thing they can do is announce a big project while Universal is opening a big project. Which is what I think they will do. And as long as I'm being a negative Nancy here, or is it more of a realistic Ralph, like Galaxy's edge, this new project (probably beyond Big thunder ) will be overpromised and under delivered and opened in phases, because it's cheaper to do so, but then they lose lose shock and awe value.

Imagine if Galaxy's edge had opened with both smugglers run and rise of the resistance And at least some of the the promised streetmosphere. I mean honestly how much would it have cost a multi-billion dollar theme park company to run March of the First Order IN Galaxy's edge, And have a couple ewoks, perhaps a bounty hunter, and droids roaming around the place?

Instead they chose to slow open Galaxy's edge and truly lost any advantage they might have had by rolling it all out at once the way they had sold it when they announced it. Today's Walt Disney company sadly isn't willing to invest in the guest experience like it used to. It isn't willing to spend the money to be number one. Good enough is good enough. As Rizzo the rat would say, they're tourists, what do they know.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
You can really see the difference with what concrete/tiles if you compare the mainstreets of Magic Kingdom and Paris. Its not just the castle thats more beautiful ;).
The Paris blockwork really adds something to Main Street. Every time we return to Orlando it looks bland in comparison. We also found Hong Kongs flooring to be exceptional; the colours chosen and their contrast really added a lot of zing. Kind of like a fantasy feel but in a real world way:

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Agree to disagree, mostly.
Which of course, is fine. Especially with someone as pleasant and well versed as yourself. That’s what brings the discussion to a discussion forum.
 

Bernswss

New Member
The giant Storybook is finally getting some maintenance love as part of the overall refurbishment of the attraction - yeah!!! 🥳

Now let's just hope it is not being replaced by a giant screen showing the D+ app to better fit with a new storyline. ;)

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Source: DLP Report

I'd like anew book design with some kind of lighting integrated, making it sparkle at night or something. Either way, I'll be happy with the normal book refreshed!
 

cjkeating

Well-Known Member
I'd like anew book design with some kind of lighting integrated, making it sparkle at night or something. Either way, I'll be happy with the normal book refreshed!
Storybookland doesn't have a lighting package so doesn't open after dark... unless this changes during this refurb.

I am more concerned the book doesn't come back with the same design but some IP vomit.
 

Mkek22

Member
Just got back from a trip to DLP, lots of people (including us) was asking for a physical map, looks like they've listened to the demand. Really enjoyed being back in DLP after 20 years, now looking at it through my 6 year old's eyes! Drone show was fantastic, brought back a lot of memories. Thought only WDW was our family disney destination but have said we must go back once the updates are complete as enjoyed it so much.
 

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