Magic Band Accessories

[nytimez]

And this is exactly what's wrong with fastpass, nevermind fastpass+. Disney acts like nobody has an advantage over others in their park, but if I'm stopped at the end of the Splash Mountain queue so 50+ people can go ahead in front of me, I feel like someone has advantage over me.

The issue with all this fastpass nonsense is there are TOO MANY FASTPASSES BEING DISTRIBUTED. The Stand-by Queue should have the priority, not the fastpass. The fastpass already get to skip half the line, so let the 50+ people in the stand-by go in front of those with fastpass!

I think you're missing the point of Fastpass...

Also: You're allowed to get a Fastpass, too. No one has an advantage over you. If you choose not to use one - or choose to use it on another ride, that's on you... not the people who have a Fastpass.

 

[ibaw]

I guess admittedly part of my point of view comes from my lack of enthusiasm for FP+ bands to begin with...

I think my utter frustration while looking through this site (and others) is the focus of of the sites turns to FP+ and immediately associates the MagicBand as a "FP+ band". MM+ is an all encompassing tool that will continue to be developed and evolved. FP+ is just one part of MM+, not the entire package.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

I think my utter frustration while looking through this site (and others) is the focus of of the sites turns to FP+ and immediately associates the MagicBand as a "FP+ band". MM+ is an all encompassing tool that will continue to be developed and evolved. FP+ is just one part of MM+, not the entire package.

... Nearly all of which has been done with the KTTW cards for years now.

 

[shannon12]

I think they are cute :/

 

[copcarguyp71]

I think my utter frustration while looking through this site (and others) is the focus of of the sites turns to FP+ and immediately associates the MagicBand as a "FP+ band". MM+ is an all encompassing tool that will continue to be developed and evolved. FP+ is just one part of MM+, not the entire package.

And I think my utter frustration comes from a vinyl band that will make me sweat like crazy without an alternate option. I am not really for the ride "ADR" but not totally against the idea except that they are making you wear a band that does not even remotely appeal to me without an option...if they offered a lanyard or something of that ilk then I would have an easier time swallowing it.

 

[DTale]

And this is exactly what's wrong with fastpass, nevermind fastpass+. Disney acts like nobody has an advantage over others in their park, but if I'm stopped at the end of the Splash Mountain queue so 50+ people can go ahead in front of me, I feel like someone has advantage over me.

The issue with all this fastpass nonsense is there are TOO MANY FASTPASSES BEING DISTRIBUTED. The Stand-by Queue should have the priority, not the fastpass. The fastpass already get to skip half the line, so let the 50+ people in the stand-by go in front of those with fastpass!

Trust me I understand, I'm an avid fastpass user who gets as many as I possibly can in a day...

 

[AngryEyes]

I understand that some people are upset, because they would like the MM+ money to have been spent on attractions. I get that. It appears we're getting attractions, as well, but I get the argument.

However, it occurs to me that a lot of people aren't liking the FP+ because it's taking away an advantage that they currently have on the rest of the guests. I know my family and I have always gotten five or so fastpasses in a day, so a cut down to three is a pretty big hit, especially if it's a menu-type system and we can only get one of the big rides per park per day. I don't have a use for a fastpass for fireworks or a parade, either.

However, I guess I can't see how this wouldn't result in shorter standby lines. If I can't get a fastpass for all the mountains in a day, some multiple times, and other veterans can't, either, it seems like it would shorten lines. I guess we'll all see when it happens.

It seems to me that the only people who are really going to be hurt is the people who try to do WDW on the cheap. People who spend more money have a better experience just about everywhere, including WDW, right now. Go to any sporting event and sit in a suite or club level vs. a regular seat. It's a much better experience. I don't understand why anyone thinks WDW should be different. As it is now, a lunch at Le Cellier is better than a burger either onsite or at McDonald's, so the person spending more is having a better experience. People who pay for a personal guide don't have to wait in line for anything and all because they paid more money. That's clearly a better experience. Anyone who thinks that everyone's getting the same experience at WDW now is deluding himself.

I think they'll eventually go with a tiered FP+ experience based on resort level and/or spend and I think it's fair. Why should Disney give an equal experience to a guest who stays offsite, lugs a backpack full of water and food for lunch, eats offsite for dinner, and buys their souvenirs at an outlet?

That's life and that's business and I truly don't understand why anyone thinks the Walt Disney Company would be different.

 

[Tim_4]

FP+ is just one part of MM+, not the entire package.

... Nearly all of which has been done with the KTTW cards for years now.

But KTTW cards are only for resort guests. Shouldn't the expansion of these features to ALL guests just tickle you with delight, Mr. "Level Playing Field"?

I understand that some people are upset, because they would like the MM+ money to have been spent on attractions. I get that. It appears we're getting attractions, as well, but I get the argument.

However, it occurs to me that a lot of people aren't liking the FP+ because it's taking away an advantage that they currently have on the rest of the guests. I know my family and I have always gotten five or so fastpasses in a day, so a cut down to three is a pretty big hit, especially if it's a menu-type system and we can only get one of the big rides per park per day. I don't have a use for a fastpass for fireworks or a parade, either.

However, I guess I can't see how this wouldn't result in shorter standby lines. If I can't get a fastpass for all the mountains in a day, some multiple times, and other veterans can't, either, it seems like it would shorten lines. I guess we'll all see when it happens.

It seems to me that the only people who are really going to be hurt is the people who try to do WDW on the cheap. People who spend more money have a better experience just about everywhere, including WDW, right now. Go to any sporting event and sit in a suite or club level vs. a regular seat. It's a much better experience. I don't understand why anyone thinks WDW should be different. As it is now, a lunch at Le Cellier is better than a burger either onsite or at McDonald's, so the person spending more is having a better experience. People who pay for a personal guide don't have to wait in line for anything and all because they paid more money. That's clearly a better experience. Anyone who thinks that everyone's getting the same experience at WDW now is deluding himself.

Spot on. The problem is, a lot of the people who automatically bash MM+ are masters of the straw man argument. They misrepresent what MM+ is and how it will work, then proceed to give all the reasons why their fictional construct is terrible. I used to think that these people honestly didn't understand the vision for NextGen, but the more I argue with them the more I'm starting to think they're just flat-out dishonestly trying to deceive people for some reason. I can think of no rational explanation why they'd come to a fan site and be so miserably and relentlessly critical about the very thing of which they purport to be a fan. I hate the "Twilight" series and if I went to a "Twilight" board for no other purpose than to complain about anything and everything "Twilight" related, what am I other than a troll?

That's life and that's business and I truly don't understand why anyone thinks the Walt Disney Company would be different.

Because they think Walt Disney would have wanted a world where everyone gets free candy and unicorns and nothing costs any money.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

But KTTW cards are only for resort guests. Shouldn't the expansion of these features to ALL guests just tickle you with delight, Mr. "Level Playing Field"?

I know when I stay off site, I'm completely jealous that those onsite snobs get to use a different piece of plastic than I do to charge their generic Disney Parks crap to.

 

[bubbles1812]

But KTTW cards are only for resort guests. Shouldn't the expansion of these features to ALL guests just tickle you with delight, Mr. "Level Playing Field"?

Spot on. The problem is, a lot of the people who automatically bash MM+ are masters of the straw man argument. They misrepresent what MM+ is and how it will work, then proceed to give all the reasons why their fictional construct is terrible. I used to think that these people honestly didn't understand the vision for NextGen, but the more I argue with them the more I'm starting to think they're just flat-out dishonestly trying to deceive people for some reason. I can think of no rational explanation why they'd come to a fan site and be so miserably and relentlessly critical about the very thing of which they purport to be a fan. I hate the "Twilight" series and if I went to a "Twilight" board for no other purpose than to complain about anything and everything "Twilight" related, what am I other than a troll.

Oh good lord. So now anyone who disagrees (and doesnt change their mind when you put forth your brilliant "Im right and everyone else is wrong" arguments) with some of the concepts of Next Gen are trolling and deliberately out to deceive people? Then it would appear half the board is trolling.

It's possible to be critical of something and still love it. Everyone here loves the place. If they don't agree that Next Gen is the way to go to improve it, that isn't wrong. It's their opinion. It they could be right... or wrong. But to insinuate that they are "Flat out trying to deceive people" if they don't agree... Well, thanks for the laugh.

 

[Tim_4]

Oh good lord. So now anyone who disagrees (and doesnt change their mind when you put forth your brilliant "Im right and everyone else is wrong" arguments) with some of the concepts of Next Gen are trolling and deliberately out to deceive people? Then it would appear half the board is trolling.

That's just it though. Y'all aren't criticizing "concepts of NextGen." If NextGen is supposed to do A, B, and C, you guys are criticizing it for doing D, E, and F, which no one anywhere said it's going to do.

 

[ParentsOf4]

That's just it though. Y'all aren't criticizing "concepts of NextGen." If NextGen is supposed to do A, B, and C, you guys are criticizing it for doing D, E, and F, which no one anywhere said it's going to do.

This could make for an interesting discussion but I'm not sure that a thread titled "Magic Band Accessories" is the place to have it.

If you've have a post that summarizes your thoughts on MM+, I'd be interested in reading it. Alternatively, if you want to post somewhere more closely aligned with that topic, I'll be glad to join in.

 

[bubbles1812]

That's just it though. Y'all aren't criticizing "concepts of NextGen." If NextGen is supposed to do A, B, and C, you guys are criticizing it for doing D, E, and F, which no one anywhere said it's going to do.

So apparently you are the only one who has the right interpretation of what Next Gen is/will do? Is that something your sources gave you? (And I know you your sources are so please, it is pretty laughable on that front).

What you put forth is an interpretation just as any other poster does. It's all speculation. And many of those "A, B,and Cs" are quite open to interpretation on what they will cause considering they aren't up and running yet. You literally just called half the board trolls that are out to deliberately deceive. It's a ridiculous insinuation.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

That's just it though. Y'all aren't criticizing "concepts of NextGen." If NextGen is supposed to do A, B, and C, you guys are criticizing it for doing D, E, and F, which no one anywhere said it's going to do.

The difference between you and I is that I readily admit my theories are just that... Theories... Based on educated guesses.

Whereas you give the direct appearance that all your guesses as to how it will work and what it will do are fact.

They're not.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Since you asked... http://www.lotuspc.net/us/

Assembled and supported in Orlando. It was a stipulation that I put on our outsourced IT guy we use in the office that there needs to be north american content or assembly at the least. While I realize it is in fact made up of foreign content this is the "sharing the wealth" that I referenced wanting at Disney. Not ALL american but at least some desire to help business on these shores as well as those overseas.

Good job, well played.

 

[RSoxNo1]

And this is exactly what's wrong with fastpass, nevermind fastpass+. Disney acts like nobody has an advantage over others in their park, but if I'm stopped at the end of the Splash Mountain queue so 50+ people can go ahead in front of me, I feel like someone has advantage over me.

The issue with all this fastpass nonsense is there are TOO MANY FASTPASSES BEING DISTRIBUTED. The Stand-by Queue should have the priority, not the fastpass. The fastpass already get to skip half the line, so let the 50+ people in the stand-by go in front of those with fastpass!

How is this an advantage? Everyone in the standby queue had access to the same Fastpasses that those 50+ people had access to.

 

[dadddio]

That's totally incorrect. That was an additional cost that didn't negatively impact my day in the park if I chose not to spend it. It didn't impact my touring, my waits in line, etc. It was an ADD ON.

With these bands, that's not the case. It WILL negatively impact my day in the park if I don't "play by their rules". I do as they say, or the families around me will have a better time. It's not an add on. It's a requirement, "or else".

Pal Mickey wasn't CLOSE to that.

(and we liked Pal Mickey, btw. Bought two)

The bolded bit seems to be exactly like Pal Mickey. If you didn't choose to get a PM, then you missed out on the PM interactive stuff. In that sense, it is exactly like choosing the card over the band. You will simply miss out on those interactive elements that require the powered chip in the band.

 

[dadddio]

Ah, the last outpost of those out of intelligent arguments. "If you don't like it, don't go."

Still, sometimes those responses are necessary. Often, people rail about changes that are made. Those changes are not going to be unmade just because that person wants it to happen. The only available response to such a topic is that the person could choose to not go if he is so dismayed by the decision.

 

[ddrongowski]

OH YEA!!! More garbage that I do not want. Why did Disney stop selling things that have value? WHY!?!? I miss the fine silver rounds, the 10K, 14K and 24K gold jewelry, the fine watches... Now all they sell is things I will not buy.

 

[dadddio]

That was the whole reason why they are willing to spend 2 billion on this and around 500 million around park expansions. Because if they can get the actual data of where and when and what you spend money on in the parks you bet they are going to build the parks around it. Its disney guys.

Disney already knows when and what we spend money on in the parks. We are paying it to them, after all.