LittleBuford
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Are you referring to Walt Disney? If so, I don’t know what consultations you mean.
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Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’
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_caleb
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"To avoid reinforcing stereotypes from the original animated film, we are taking a different approach with these seven characters and have been consulting with members of the dwarfism community," says Disney.
Disney Responds to Peter Dinklage’s ‘Snow White’ Live-Action Criticisms (Exclusive)
"To avoid reinforcing stereotypes from the original animated film, we are taking a different approach with these seven characters and have been consulting with members of the dwarfism community," says Disney.
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LittleBuford
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These consultations I know about."To avoid reinforcing stereotypes from the original animated film, we are taking a different approach with these seven characters and have been consulting with members of the dwarfism community," says Disney.
Disney Responds to Peter Dinklage’s ‘Snow White’ Live-Action Criticisms (Exclusive)
"To avoid reinforcing stereotypes from the original animated film, we are taking a different approach with these seven characters and have been consulting with members of the dwarfism community," says Disney.
You wrote “his” after Disney, hence my confusion and question.
_caleb
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Sorry for my lack of clarity. I knew you knew about these consultations!
Disstevefan1
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Agreed, Disney does not respond to many things as the response would often make them look bad.
I think this leaked photo, bandits and/or dwarfs issue one falls into this category
In a medieval folk tale in which magic is real, I'm sure everyone understood "dwarf" to mean a person with a genetic trait. That's what folklores were known for: their biomedical and scientific acumen.
LittleBuford
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This is a mischaracterisation of what I’m saying, and it ignores what people with dwarfism have historically experienced. As I noted above, Germanic languages have for centuries used one and the same word to refer to both people with dwarfism and the mythical kind (I imagine the same is true of other languages, though I don’t know). People with dwarfism were routinely made to serve as jesters and fools in many Eurasian royal courts and put on display in freak shows. Live-action treatments of Snow White have traditionally featured actors with dwarfism, and many, here and elsewhere, have criticised Disney for not following suit with their remake. The distinction you’re trying to make is the same that others insist on when talking about the crows in Dumbo: “But they can’t be caricatures of Black people; they’re birds!”
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GimpYancIent
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What about the produce peddler?
Disstevefan1
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But a leak happened. They should have replied right away if it was true there was to be BOTH dwarfs and bandits.
The reality was that initially they intended to replace the dwarfs with the magical creatures, then the leak, then the backlash, then the one year delay, then we got both bandits and dwarfs.
LittleBuford
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I mean, the queen's a sorceress—presumably human, but with magical powers. Snow White herself is not devoid of preternatural gifts: she can talk to animals and even get them to clean a house!
Chi84
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I think it’s because you seem to find everything about Disney bad.
The movie is over a year away. When it comes out Disney will publicize it, release trailers, promote it, etc. People will decide then whether it’s something they want to see. All of this talk now won’t matter.
I don’t see any benefit to Disney addressing every conspiracy theory between now and then, especially since that photo wasn’t an official one. There’s no end to the nonsense people are capable of making up.
Andrew C
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Except many people seem to be deciding now. So the talk, whether on here or on social media, does matter. I guess Disney could allow this to continue counting on their PR later to overcome a lot of the negative press or make statements to counter it. Although they could be just fine with the current press... I dunno, maybe they are stuck between a rock and a hard place....
CaptainAmerica
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While Disney didn't publish the magical bandits photograph, they did confirm its authenticity. They also INTENTIONALLY published this latest photo with the CGI/AI dwarfs. It's literally a promotional photograph, which is exactly the sort of thing that you're telling us that we're supposed to wait for. Those aren't conspiracy theories, they're straight from the Mouse's lips.
EDIT: Also, their star's controversial comments were literally on the blue carpet at D23, the official Disney fan event, with a friendly media.
You: Wait for Disney to start promoting the film, otherwise you're engaging in conspiracy theories.
Me: You mean like this promotional photograph and the promotional interviews the stars were giving at the promotional media event?
You: Wait no not like that.
Chi84
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My main point is that none of this will matter over a year from now. These boards give people a skewed perspective of how many people actually care at this point.
Edit: There will be entirely new promotional events which will make these current photos and statements irrelevant.
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LittleBuford
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They were not initially controversial. It took months for them to be dredged up and spun into outcry fodder.
Disstevefan1
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It may seem that way but its not the reality
I am a charter member of D+ My family of three had Premium annual passes for over a decade up until 2020. I am a huge fan of WDW and there are things I like about the changes made in the parks, and there are things I do not like about the changes (just like everyone else). We hope to be annual pass holders again.
I don't want to think how much Disney stuff my family has purchased over the decades. As I write this, I am looking over at my EPCOT celebrating 15 years lithograph.
As for the movies, I loved Elemental. I actually liked Lightyear the way they used time travel and the evolution of Buzz. My only gripe was this movie should have not been associated with Andy. I was fine with all the characters in Strange World and the plot was OK I just didn't like the climate crisis messaging that all must live in the dark to save the planet, but I digress.
I am a fan of Disney watching from the sidelines, and yes I complain when I see things that look like mistakes, just like any fan of anything.
In my opinion, as a fan, this whole SW thing (now SW2025 and counting) is a mess.
As a fan, in my opinion, we KNOW Disney had TONS and TONS of NEW story ideas they never did anything with over the 100 years. Create NEW stories. There is no need to remake the existing stuff.
I am rooting for Wish to not only be a "successful" movie, but also to bring in enough money to at least break even.
This is another issue as they are simply spending too much money to make and market the movies they are releasing lately.
CaptainAmerica
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There are two different issues.
Issue 1: How much people care about the Dwarf casting decision.
Issue 2: How much the Dwarf casting decision contributes to ballooning production costs and deteriorating quality, which audiences absolutely do care about.
This is something that *both sides* of the culture war constantly miss. One side says "audiences don't want progressive content and that's why these things fail" and the other side says "some of this content sucks and that's why it fails." In reality, both are partly true and neither is fully true. The content fails because the content sucks, but the content sucks because the people making it are obsessed with and distracted by these other issues.
Chi84
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Honestly, as far as Snow White is concerned, I'm excited to see a movie with accomplished actors and what I'm betting is a solid screenplay.
The so-called culture war is one of the saddest things I've seen in my lifetime. The grievances on both sides are largely made up or wildly exaggerated and no one is winning anything.
CaptainAmerica
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Why would you bet that? What has Disney produced recently that would give you confidence in this being a solid screenplay?
Exactly. But you're acting like Disney is an innocent victim in the poo-slinging. They're not bystanders in the culture war, they're active participants.
_caleb
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I mean you can see how it might come across as true, right?
They ARE making new stories (Onward, Luca, Strange World, Wish, Elemental). They’re also sitting on established billion-dollar IP that still has strong demand, with plenty more mileage (Star Wars, Marvel, Frozen, Princess and the Frog, Little Mermaid, even Toy Story).
And why do you think that is? Why is Disney spending too much money?
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