Well then you might want to check again, as I just watch it right now on D+. And indeed the Magic Mirror calls them Dwarfs and so does the Queen, both prior and after turning into the old hag.
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You really think I would have just made up the line I quoted? It’s there in your transcript, along with another instance in which she refers to them as “little men” (“The, the little men are not here?”). Yes, she and the Magic Mirror also refer to them as dwarfs, but I never said they didn’t, and it doesn’t change my point.Well then you might want to check again, as I just watch it right now on D+. And indeed the Magic Mirror calls them Dwarfs and so does the Queen, both prior and after turning into the old hag.
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I don’t know, but whether or not The Dwarfs were intended to be human people with dwarfism, it would make sense to me that advocates for equality, dignity, and sensitivity would want Disney to be cautious in a remake.
I'm not saying you made it up, just that you misremembered, specifically from a different line in the movie that is certainly also there in the movie. Which is why I pointed it out, and checked via a watching on D+ and then found a transcript online, before I posted.You really think I would have just made up the line I quoted? It’s there in your transcript, along with another instance in which she refers to them as “little men” (“The, the little men are not here?”). Yes, she and the Magic Mirror also refer to them as dwarfs, but that doesn’t change my point.
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I suppose what I’m trying to say is that the two can’t be neatly disentangled. For the reasons I’ve noted, I think Disney’s Seven Dwarfs are supposed to be understood as human beings (albeit fairytale ones), but that doesn’t mean they don’t have some of the attributes of their mythical counterparts (beards, an association with mining).
I didn’t misremember the line. It’s there in your transcript:
Yes, I agree they cannot be neatly disentangled. I suspect the idea came from an insensitive place, but evolved into the “elves, dwarves, trolls, etc.” we read about in fantasy stories. And I think this is why Disney consulted with people to try to better understand how to treat/depict
Once again I never said you made up that specific line from the movie. I guess I misunderstood your point, that specifically they were being called "little men" in the movie. I took it to mean that no one called them Dwarfs in the movie, which they were and all I was pointing out. Apologies.
Are you referring to Walt Disney? If so, I don’t know what consultations you mean.
"To avoid reinforcing stereotypes from the original animated film, we are taking a different approach with these seven characters and have been consulting with members of the dwarfism community," says Disney.
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These consultations I know about."To avoid reinforcing stereotypes from the original animated film, we are taking a different approach with these seven characters and have been consulting with members of the dwarfism community," says Disney.
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"To avoid reinforcing stereotypes from the original animated film, we are taking a different approach with these seven characters and have been consulting with members of the dwarfism community," says Disney.
Sorry for my lack of clarity. I knew you knew about these consultations!
Agreed, Disney does not respond to many things as the response would often make them look bad.
This is a mischaracterisation of what I’m saying, and it ignores what people with dwarfism have historically experienced. As I noted above, Germanic languages have for centuries used one and the same word to refer to both people with dwarfism and the mythical kind (I imagine the same is true of other languages, though I don’t know). People with dwarfism were routinely made to serve as jesters and fools in many Eurasian royal courts and put on display in freak shows. Live-action treatments of Snow White have traditionally featured actors with dwarfism, and many, here and elsewhere, have criticised Disney for not following suit with their remake. The distinction you’re trying to make is the same that others insist on when talking about the crows in Dumbo: “But they can’t be caricatures of Black people; they’re birds!”
But a leak happened. They should have replied right away if it was true there was to be BOTH dwarfs and bandits.
I mean, the queen's a sorceress—presumably human, but with magical powers. Snow White herself is not devoid of preternatural gifts: she can talk to animals and even get them to clean a house!
I think it’s because you seem to find everything about Disney bad.
Except many people seem to be deciding now. So the talk, whether on here or on social media, does matter. I guess Disney could allow this to continue counting on their PR later to overcome a lot of the negative press or make statements to counter it. Although they could be just fine with the current press... I dunno, maybe they are stuck between a rock and a hard place....
