Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’

[CaptainAmerica]

I used the word "imply" to communicate that while nobody "literally" said it, it continues to come across as an assertion that Disney somehow is choosing (or "prioritizing") diversity over quality.

At this point, there's no way Snow White will be evaluated based on what the actual film is/isn't. It's just more shadow boxing with Disney over some imagined ideological battle.

Snow White has literally been 1) delayed for an entire year, 2) filmed with goofy magical companions instead of dwarfs, which everyone hated, 3) re-shot with horrible looking CGI dwarfs, which everyone hated, all PRECISELY because Disney has prioritized diversity over quality. It's cost them tens of millions of dollars on this film alone.

Buying a yellow car doesn't mean you're going to have mechanical problems. But if you spend weeks and months and millions of dollars taking paint samples to make sure your car is the exact shade of yellow it needs to be, maybe you don't get around to testing for mechanical problems because there's no time or budget left.

 

[doctornick]

Why do people keep implying that it's either quality OR diversity?

I don't think that's the implication, but more that Disney is valuing diversity more than quality. Or even to the extent that perhaps they are willing to sacrifice quality to get their desired quality of diversity.

I don't know if that's true at all but I could see how some might feel that is the case. And @CaptainAmerica is suggesting that s/he has some insight into the creative process of the company and is asserting that diversity measures seems to be driving many programming decisions. When they let go of Latronda Newton, I do feel like there was some smoke surrounding that it was felt that DEI initiates was harming the creative process and impacting quality.

 

[_caleb]

Snow White has literally been 1) delayed for an entire year, 2) filmed with goofy magical companions instead of dwarfs, which everyone hated, 3) re-shot with horrible looking CGI dwarfs, which everyone hated, all PRECISELY because Disney has prioritized diversity over quality. It's cost them tens of millions of dollars on this film alone.

I understand that this is your interpretation of the process. But you attribute to "diversity" things that have nothing to with it. Loud angry "fans" may indeed have pressured Disney to change direction on depicting the Dwarfs as little humans, fantasy creatures, or 3D versions of the original animated characters, or whatever. These are creative decisions. You are the one insisting these are due to diversity mandates.

Buying a yellow car doesn't mean you're going to have mechanical problems. But if you spend weeks and months and millions of dollars taking paint samples to make sure your car is the exact shade of yellow it needs to be, maybe you don't get around to testing for mechanical problems because there's no time or budget left.

See, this is what I mean. Disney is a huge corporation that sets budgets and creates detailed plans. They don't say, "oops, the casting team burned through all this project's time and money looking for an inferior actor who fits a pre-defined demographic; sorry special effects team, you've only got ten grand left and two weeks to finish."

 

[Joel]

Disney issued this public statement following Peter Dinklage's outrage over the remake: "To avoid reinforcing stereotypes from the original animated film, we are taking a different approach with these seven characters and have been consulting with members of the dwarfism community."

That is not merely a creative decision.

 

[Disstevefan1]

No, I’m not saying this. I’m saying Disney has enough data to tell them that they needed to make some changes.

EVERYONE can see they need to make changes!!!!!!

 

[Disney Irish]

Back on the Dwarfs thing for a second. There has been confirmation earlier this month from inside the production that the Dwarfs were always there and that the other Bandits from that leaked photo are a separate group. There is no "change".

Snow White's Live-Action Movie Designer Denies Controversial Dwarfs Report

After the surprising delay of the live-action remake of Snow White, one of the film's designers addresses the rumors surrounding the movie's dwarves.

movieweb.com

Carry on with the rest of the bickering.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Back on the Dwarfs thing for a second. There has been confirmation earlier this month from inside the production that the Dwarfs were always there and that the other Bandits from that leaked photo are a separate group. There is no "change".

Snow White's Live-Action Movie Designer Denies Controversial Dwarfs Report

After the surprising delay of the live-action remake of Snow White, one of the film's designers addresses the rumors surrounding the movie's dwarves.

movieweb.com

Carry on with the rest of the bickering.

That's so much worse, if true. That would mean:

1. The magical hobos are still in.

2. The horrifying CGI renders on the dwarfs weren't rushed and revealed in a panic, they actually look like that on purpose.

 

[Andrew C]

That's so much worse, if true. That would mean:

1. The magical hobos are still in.

2. The horrifying CGI renders on the dwarfs weren't rushed and revealed in a panic, they actually look like that on purpose.

Someone in hair and makeup isn’t confirmation of anything imo.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Someone in hair and makeup isn’t confirmation of anything imo.

Disney confirmed it. They denied it or did a "no comment" at first but subsequently confirmed that the photos were authentic.

 

[Joel]

That's so much worse, if true. That would mean:

1. The magical hobos are still in.

2. The horrifying CGI renders on the dwarfs weren't rushed and revealed in a panic, they actually look like that on purpose.

Yeah, lol'd at this:

However, when the change in the film's release date was announced and the first official image surfaced online, it featured the titular princess along with the seven dwarfs, which look very similar to the ones in the animated film.

Yeah, the Chinese knockoff DVD you can find in a bin at the dollar store, maybe.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Back on the Dwarfs thing for a second. There has been confirmation earlier this month from inside the production that the Dwarfs were always there and that the other Bandits from that leaked photo are a separate group. There is no "change".

Snow White's Live-Action Movie Designer Denies Controversial Dwarfs Report

After the surprising delay of the live-action remake of Snow White, one of the film's designers addresses the rumors surrounding the movie's dwarves.

movieweb.com

Carry on with the rest of the bickering.

The moment the "fake" photo was leaked, the rendering with SW and the dwarfs should have been released immediately. For some unknown reason, Disney chose to wait until after they announced the films delay to 2025 to show the most recent rendering with the dwarfs.

Either TWDC is trolling their own fans or the dwarfs were not initially intended to be in the film.

 

[Disney Irish]

That's so much worse, if true. That would mean:

1. The magical hobos are still in.

2. The horrifying CGI renders on the dwarfs weren't rushed and revealed in a panic, they actually look like that on purpose.

The "magical hobos" as you call them don't appear to be magical at all. They appear to be just a group of bandits where Burnap's character is the leader. Its only been an assumption they were the "magical creatures", which we now know its wrong.

As for the CGI, obviously opinions will vary on the looks. I personally don't think they look bad. But if they don't move it back to 2024 they have plenty of time to "fix" any issues with it.

 

[Disney Irish]

The moment the "fake" photo was leaked, the rendering with SW and the dwarfs should have been released immediately. For some unknown reason, Disney chose to wait until after they announced the films delay to 2025 to show the most recent rendering with the dwarfs.

Either TWDC is trolling their own fans or the dwarfs were not initially intended to be in the film.

Its possible the CGI wasn't ready back when the photo was leaked.

Companies, even Disney, are not in the habit of commenting on every internet clickbait articles or Youtube.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I've probably asked this before, but what is even going on in this thread?

Nothing for now.

Mission accomplished.

SW2024 has been delayed a year so they can add the dwarfs back in and change the magical creatures to bandits.

They got a lot of work ahead to fix this thing.

I wonder what the final costs for this (movie?) will be.

 

[TP2000]

Back on the Dwarfs thing for a second. There has been confirmation earlier this month from inside the production that the Dwarfs were always there and that the other Bandits from that leaked photo are a separate group. There is no "change".

And so Disney suddenly pushed Snow White back a full year to March, 2025 because they only wanted to do 6 movies in 2024? After Wish debuts on Thursday, Disney's flagship studios will have nothing in theaters until Memorial Day '24. Six months!

They pushed Snow White out of its March '24 debut just to get six months of silent breathing room to kick off 2024 with nothingness, while Snow White sits completed on the shelf for another year?

November 23rd, '23 = Wish, Walt Disney Animation
December '23 = No Releases
January '24 = No Releases
February '24 = No Releases
March '24 = No Releases (Snow White pushed to Spring '25)
April '24 = No Releases
May '24 = Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, 20th Century
June '24 = Inside Out 2, Pixar
July '24 = Deadpool 3, Marvel
August '24 = Alien: Romulus, 20th Century
September '24 = No Releases
October '24 = No Releases
November '24 = The Amateur, 20th Century
December '24 = Mufasa, Walt Disney Pictures

 

[Disstevefan1]

And so Disney suddenly pushed Snow White back a full year to March, 2025 because they only wanted to do 6 movies in 2024? After Wish debuts on Thursday, Disney's flagship studios will have nothing in theaters until Memorial Day '24. Six months!

They pushed Snow White out of its March '24 debut just to get six months of silent breathing room to kick off 2024 with nothingness, while Snow White sits completed on the shelf for another year?

November 23rd, '23 = Wish, Walt Disney Animation
December '23 = No Releases
January '24 = No Releases
February '24 = No Releases
March '24 = No Releases (Snow White pushed to Spring '25)
April '24 = No Releases
May '24 = Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, 20th Century
June '24 = Inside Out 2, Pixar
July '24 = Deadpool 3, Marvel
August '24 = Alien: Romulus, 20th Century
September '24 = No Releases
October '24 = No Releases
November '24 = The Amateur, 20th Century
December '24 = Mufasa, Walt Disney Pictures

TWDC may do well in 2024 if they limit to these.

Looking forward to:
Planet of the Apes
Inside Out 2,
Deadpool 3
Alien: Romulus - ninth alien movie??

The Amateur sounds interesting.

I am interested in Mufasa, not sure if this one is going to make money

 

[Disney Irish]

And so Disney suddenly pushed Snow White back a full year to March, 2025 because they only wanted to do 6 movies in 2024? After Wish debuts on Thursday, Disney's flagship studios will have nothing in theaters until Memorial Day '24. Six months!

They pushed Snow White out of its March '24 debut just to get six months of silent breathing room to kick off 2024 with nothingness, while Snow White sits completed on the shelf for another year?

November 23rd, '23 = Wish, Walt Disney Animation
December '23 = No Releases
January '24 = No Releases
February '24 = No Releases
March '24 = No Releases (Snow White pushed to Spring '25)
April '24 = No Releases
May '24 = Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, 20th Century
June '24 = Inside Out 2, Pixar
July '24 = Deadpool 3, Marvel
August '24 = Alien: Romulus, 20th Century
September '24 = No Releases
October '24 = No Releases
November '24 = The Amateur, 20th Century
December '24 = Mufasa, Walt Disney Pictures

I have no idea if they will tweak anything with Snow White in terms of content. But they can move it back into 2024 at any time, which they may do we don't know. They may really just be trying to let things settle down a bit even if the film is completely finished.

As for the rest of their 2024 slate, now that the strike is over (still pending ratification) they can move release dates yet again. Things adjust all the time for various reasons at every studio, so there is no reason to think they can't or won't move up releases of new films into 2024 as needed.

 

[The Mom]

Any posters who continue to bring politics, social issues etc into this thread will no longer be allowed to participate. And please remember the fact that I haven't seen a post yet does not mean I condone it. Please report posts rather than engaging in arguments. Thank you.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Back on the Dwarfs thing for a second. There has been confirmation earlier this month from inside the production that the Dwarfs were always there and that the other Bandits from that leaked photo are a separate group. There is no "change".

Snow White's Live-Action Movie Designer Denies Controversial Dwarfs Report

After the surprising delay of the live-action remake of Snow White, one of the film's designers addresses the rumors surrounding the movie's dwarves.

movieweb.com

Carry on with the rest of the bickering.

I don't believe that for a second.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don't believe that for a second.

You can believe whatever you want. I'm just posting additional information that has since come out. You make your own determination on it.