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Lindsay Lohan - Out ?
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DivineMadness7
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I see a balance between support and distance being the best option for them. Without getting too much into the personal belief aspect of this debate, I would argue that drawing attention to it would be like saying it was something unusual to be gawked at and prodded. The more this country can get away from turning someone's lifestyle into a spectacle, the closer we can get to acceptance (or at least tolerance) of personal choice.
I agree that they should be supportive but I'm not sure in terms of business if it is the proper or appropriate choice. The amount of interest that some people take in the personal lives of others boggles my mind, so it seems best if Disney does not get involved. I think remaining neutral is the best option for all parties. :wave:
DisneyGigi
Well-Known Member
I think that if they did (distance themselves) it would be for all of her questionable behavior in the past year with drugs, drinking etc...not because of this. Besides look at Ellen- Dory was her comeback. :shrug:
sbkline
Well-Known Member
I didn't say it did. Someone else did. :wave: Matpez wrote: Ultra if you want to make "a sin" a law.... I can only assume he was making a reference to the marraige debate. I'm not the one who brought that issue up. I merely took issue with referring to people of my beliefs regarding homosexuality as "ultra conservative", since that term seems to me to be quite clearly a term of reproach.
Well, thank ya.
:ROFLOL:
figmentmom
Well-Known Member
Well, Disney can't possibly be SURPRISED, can they? :ROFLOL:
Oh snap. I like him!
Amen on that.
I myself am a gay man, and it never fails to amuse me when someone is threatened by my way of life.
I find it hilarious that something as PETTY and small as me liking guys is such a big issue to people.
While I may not agree with someones religion/orientation/habits, I am CERTAINLY not gonna protest that person, or what they choose to do in their personal time. Isn't this America? Hmmmm. I thought that we live in a FREE country where we are allowed to (within reason) do what we please. Guess I was wrong.
And as for Disney.......
I am moving down to Orlando next summer to begin working a DREAM job at the Magic Kingdom.
See folks, everyone is all for equality and acceptance for all until someone they don't understand/agree with expects the same basic HUMAN RIGHTS that we all expect and deserve. Whether it be something as dumb as race, or orientation. People are cool with loving others and being kind, unless it comes to a black person. Or a gay person. Or a mentally challenged person. Then its a whole new ball game.
Now, I am not preaching, and trying to advance any 'policy'. I just think that it is time to embrase that phrase 'with liberty and justice FOR ALL'.
I leave you with a quote from my bumper sticker.
It reads.......
Support Disney family values. "When you wish apon a star, makes NO difference WHO YOU ARE."
BTW Congrats Lindsey! Welcome to the out and proud community.
Figment571
Member
Not just ULTRA- conservatives who would be mirked, just saying. Wonder what Walt would think, it has been noted by some that he was a Goldwater conservative, and had strong political views, just something to think about. not trying to make a point.
But anyway, I think Disney has cut ties with her after all of her antics. Anyway I don't believe it is necessary for Disney to release a statement on that sort of thing, a relationship which an actor has.
Wilt Dasney
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:lol:
sbkline
Well-Known Member
I'm not sure if you're referring to me, or to conservatives in general, but speaking for myself, I am not threatened by you or your way of life. I am happily married and have my own life and your way of life poses no threat to my life nor my marraige.
Again, I'm not sure if you're referring to me specifically, or to a general group of people. But I don't protest people either. What Lindsay does in her private life is none of my business, although I do have my opinion on that lifestyle according to my faith. I won't lose any sleep knowing that she's gay, as we are all responsible for ourselves, to live our own lives and not worry about what others do. So who she dates...male or female...does not affect me at all. On the other hand, though, when you, or anyone else, makes a point to be very public about your lifestyle, and feels the need to make it everyone else's business by telling everyone about it, and rubbing it in people's faces, then don't expect everyone to embrace it with open arms. And don't expect me to congratulate you or pat you on the back, or in any way encourage you or validate your lifestyle. And don't be surprised if someone else chooses to be just as open about their opinions as you are with yours.
And I've noticed that many people seem to be very supportive of a person's right to an opinion...that is until someone's opinion clashes with their's...at which point the open mindedness ends.
LOL No, I am not refering to you my friend. That is why I feel so lucky to live in America. We can all express how we feel, without fear of death, jail, or anything else.
I completely respect you, and your opinion. But it is just that.......your opinion. Just like my opinion is just my opinion. It doesn't make it right or wrong. It is a personal opinion.
And I don't expect everyone to understand me. And I am comforitable enough with myself to be ok when someone disagrees with me.
You yourself seemed awful defensive.
As a matter of fact, I welcome your opinion. In fact, I encourage it. Everyone has a right to say and beleive what they wish.
Again, that is what makes this country so great.
However, you mentioned that you have issues with anyone who, "makes a point to be very public about your lifestyle, and feels the need to make it everyone else's business by telling everyone about it, and rubbing it in people's faces."
My friend, that door swings both ways. Don't preach to me about your way of life. Don't talk like your way of life is gospel truth, and the right way.
And as I recall, I wasn't "rubbing it" in anyones faces. I took ONE sentance in my entire post to talk about me being gay. Allow me to quote myself!
"I myself am a gay man, and it never fails to amuse me when someone is threatened by my way of life."
Wow, look at me go! Watch me ram my way of life down yours, and everyone elses throats!
Lastly, allow me to comment on your words.
".......then don't expect everyone to embrace it with open arms. And don't be surprised if someone else chooses to be just as open about their opinions as you are with yours."
My friend, and yes, I count you as a friend, please listen to your very own words.
If you consider stating the fact that I am gay is ramming anything down anyones throats, then you seriously need to rethink the meaning of 'ramming'.
I completely respect you, and your opinion. But it is just that.......your opinion. Just like my opinion is just my opinion. It doesn't make it right or wrong. It is a personal opinion.
And I don't expect everyone to understand me. And I am comforitable enough with myself to be ok when someone disagrees with me.
You yourself seemed awful defensive.
As a matter of fact, I welcome your opinion. In fact, I encourage it. Everyone has a right to say and beleive what they wish.
Again, that is what makes this country so great.
However, you mentioned that you have issues with anyone who, "makes a point to be very public about your lifestyle, and feels the need to make it everyone else's business by telling everyone about it, and rubbing it in people's faces."
My friend, that door swings both ways. Don't preach to me about your way of life. Don't talk like your way of life is gospel truth, and the right way.
And as I recall, I wasn't "rubbing it" in anyones faces. I took ONE sentance in my entire post to talk about me being gay. Allow me to quote myself!
"I myself am a gay man, and it never fails to amuse me when someone is threatened by my way of life."
Wow, look at me go! Watch me ram my way of life down yours, and everyone elses throats!
Lastly, allow me to comment on your words.
".......then don't expect everyone to embrace it with open arms. And don't be surprised if someone else chooses to be just as open about their opinions as you are with yours."
My friend, and yes, I count you as a friend, please listen to your very own words.
If you consider stating the fact that I am gay is ramming anything down anyones throats, then you seriously need to rethink the meaning of 'ramming'.
MAF
Well-Known Member
WOW, don't hate! She could have picked me! :drevil:
Big-Bad-Dave
Member
:sohappy: Thank you!
DABIGCHEEZ
Well-Known Member
Some one help me out please..... Why should I, or Disney for that matter, care if Lindsey(or anyone else) is gay, drunk, or doing drugs? Other than my family and friends on the dinking and drugs thing.
Sbkline... Apparenttly you are not threatened by someones lifestyle... but the word ULTRA really ticks you off!!!! Wasn't that grade school????? :ROFLOL:
ULTRA!!! ULTRA!!!! ULTRA!!!! ULTRA!!!! ULTRA!!!!
You make me laugh. Now back to Disney stuff!!!
Sbkline... Apparenttly you are not threatened by someones lifestyle... but the word ULTRA really ticks you off!!!! Wasn't that grade school????? :ROFLOL:
ULTRA!!! ULTRA!!!! ULTRA!!!! ULTRA!!!! ULTRA!!!!
You make me laugh. Now back to Disney stuff!!!
sbkline
Well-Known Member
LOL No, I am not refering to you my friend. That is why I feel so lucky to live in America. We can all express how we feel, without fear of death, jail, or anything else.
I completely respect you, and your opinion. But it is just that.......your opinion. Just like my opinion is just my opinion. It doesn't make it right or wrong. It is a personal opinion.
And I don't expect everyone to understand me. And I am comforitable enough with myself to be ok when someone disagrees with me.
You yourself seemed awful defensive.
As a matter of fact, I welcome your opinion. In fact, I encourage it. Everyone has a right to say and beleive what they wish.
Again, that is what makes this country so great.
However, you mentioned that you have issues with anyone who, "makes a point to be very public about your lifestyle, and feels the need to make it everyone else's business by telling everyone about it, and rubbing it in people's faces."
My friend, that door swings both ways. Don't preach to me about your way of life. Don't talk like your way of life is gospel truth, and the right way.
And as I recall, I wasn't "rubbing it" in anyones faces. I took ONE sentance in my entire post to talk about me being gay. Allow me to quote myself!
"I myself am a gay man, and it never fails to amuse me when someone is threatened by my way of life."
Wow, look at me go! Watch me ram my way of life down yours, and everyone elses throats!
Lastly, allow me to comment on your words.
".......then don't expect everyone to embrace it with open arms. And don't be surprised if someone else chooses to be just as open about their opinions as you are with yours."
My friend, and yes, I count you as a friend, please listen to your very own words.
If you consider stating the fact that I am gay is ramming anything down anyones throats, then you seriously need to rethink the meaning of 'ramming'.
In the context of a discussion about sexuality, I'd rather not use any terminology involving ramming something down someone's throat...or any other part of the body for that matter.
:ROFLOL:You're right though, in regards to your statement that you didn't go out of your way to publicize your sexuality. Even though I included you in the statement, I guess I was referring more to those people (and yes I do know at least one personally) who do make sure that everyone knows their sexual preference...but then are unwilling to accept that others may have a different opinion and be just as willing to voice it. And, as another example, I remember years ago, in college, when the college "gay days" (or whatever they called them) came around, there was a big campaign to encourage everyone to wear blue jeans to show support for the gay movement. I ended up wearing jeans simply because I forgot all about the whole thing and that's what I normally wore. But I remember reading the hate letters in the student paper the next day by the pro-gay people, denouncing those "intolerant bigots" who wore slacks or other types of pants. So here we have people trying to force people to endorse a lifestyle and then crying foul when they choose to wear a different kind of clothing so as to express a different opinion. I disagree with homosexuality, yet I can respect a person's right to live the lifestyle of their choosing, knowing that it is not I who am/will be their judge. On the other hand, though, when you (generic you, not you specifically) drag others into it by demanding, in this case, that they wear a particular article of clothing in order to show validation of your lifestyle, then don't be surprised when you don't get the results you want (not saying you do this kind of thing). Or, when someone opens a thread in order to draw attention to a gay coming out of the closet, and then to draw further attention to the fact that he hopes Disney encourages her, then that opens the door for others, such as myself, to offer a counterpoint.
And you're right about not preaching my lifestyle to you. I don't think that's what I was doing and if it was, I apologize. I'm not attempting to preach my lifestyle to you. I merely expressed my opinion since someone else opened the issue for discussion. Yes, I think homosexuality is contrary to God's ordinances. But no, I won't stand here and preach it to you.
And thanks for counting me as a friend. I have no problem counting you as one either. :wave:
Anytime. :wave: