Le Cellier vs Yachtsman's

[wannabeBelle]

Nic, I feel for you and I probably wouldn't have been really pleased either. I will tell you though that there are some kids who are fine in this kind of atmosphere. It all depends on the parents and what they have exposed the kids to and how they were taught to behave. My cousin has two children, both of whom are incredibly well behaved in nicer restaurants, as they have been going to them regularly. In most cases they are more adventurous food wise than I am!!! The younger one is just about 7 and the older is around 12. They are honestly a delight to go out to eat with and if you were at a neighboring table you wouldn't even know that they were there, as their parents don't allow them to be disruptive. Marie

 

[nicb88]

Nic, I feel for you and I probably wouldn't have been really pleased either. I will tell you though that there are some kids who are fine in this kind of atmosphere. It all depends on the parents and what they have exposed the kids to and how they were taught to behave. My cousin has two children, both of whom are incredibly well behaved in nicer restaurants, as they have been going to them regularly. In most cases they are more adventurous food wise than I am!!! The younger one is just about 7 and the older is around 12. They are honestly a delight to go out to eat with and if you were at a neighboring table you wouldn't even know that they were there, as their parents don't allow them to be disruptive. Marie

I don't deny that it's much to do with the parenting, and I wish all children behaved as beautifully as your cousin's children do! There are children who are a joy to have around no matter what, but unfortunately at a place like WDW, that's often not a luxury that is afforded to us - especially at mealtimes.

I do know that Disney like to make out that everywhere is the perfect place for everyone - and it's not the case, even if it is Disney World! I was stood in the concierge queue at POFQ a year or two back and heard the cast member recommending several signature restaurants for a family of 4 (the 2 children being really quite young - 3/4 years old was my guess). As much as they rightfully have the option to eat there, I feel that the parents should choose responsibly for their family. It's not just about other guests' experiences, it's about their own and their children's, too, and I'm sure there are much better places for the kids to eat. Or you could even get childcare if they were so determined to eat at California Grill, for example. I know V&A is child free, but not everyone can afford that sort of dining experience (hundreds of dollars per person)!

I know it will be seen as a controversial opinion and I hope I don't have a horribly negative reaction, I just think that 'one size fits all' doesn't work all the time, even somewhere like Disney World.

 

[Abby's Daddy]

I dined at Yachtsman in my June trip, and there were quite a number of young children, one of whom was at the next table. Although his mother apologised profusely for his behaviour, it still didn't negate the fact he threw his chicken on to my table which then ended on the floor. She had to leave half way through the meal as he just would not behave.

I really think that they need to be more open about whether restaurants are 'kid friendly'. Sure, you're at Disney World, so sure, kids are and should be allowed anywhere if a parent wants to take them. However, it doesn't mean they belong anywhere (like at these kinds of restaurants) - he must have been bored senseless as it's quite a 'boring' place for an under-10 who knows Mickey is probably appearing somewhere nearby!

I am sorry for your bad experience but isn't this really on a person to person basis. Some children will be well behaved others will not. Same is true for adults. Why can't a child under 10 enjoy a nice meal and not be bored? Conversely, I know many adults who are completely incapable of enjoying a long meal and must rush through everything. Just as easily as you might be sitting next to a child who cant behave you could be sitting next to a table of 20 were everybody is loud and rambunctious. Are we not going to allow tables of more than 4 people now? I understand why Disney limits the age at V&A but to ask Disney to advise other restaurants are not kid friendly is silly for a number of reasons not the least of it the loss of revenue a restaurant may suffer as a result. The fact is just like a party of 20 should be understanding to those around them, parents should try to control their kids behavior.

 

[Abby's Daddy]

I don't deny that it's much to do with the parenting, and I wish all children behaved as beautifully as your cousin's children do! There are children who are a joy to have around no matter what, but unfortunately at a place like WDW, that's often not a luxury that is afforded to us - especially at mealtimes.

I do know that Disney like to make out that everywhere is the perfect place for everyone - and it's not the case, even if it is Disney World! I was stood in the concierge queue at POFQ a year or two back and heard the cast member recommending several signature restaurants for a family of 4 (the 2 children being really quite young - 3/4 years old was my guess). As much as they rightfully have the option to eat there, I feel that the parents should choose responsibly for their family. It's not just about other guests' experiences, it's about their own and their children's, too, and I'm sure there are much better places for the kids to eat. Or you could even get childcare if they were so determined to eat at California Grill, for example. I know V&A is child free, but not everyone can afford that sort of dining experience (hundreds of dollars per person)!

I know it will be seen as a controversial opinion and I hope I don't have a horribly negative reaction, I just think that 'one size fits all' doesn't work all the time, even somewhere like Disney World.

Alright so under this theory that one size does not fit all should adults not be allowed to go to any character meals because those restaurants should be designated for only those parties that have children 12 and under?

 

[wannabeBelle]

I don't deny that it's much to do with the parenting, and I wish all children behaved as beautifully as your cousin's children do! There are children who are a joy to have around no matter what, but unfortunately at a place like WDW, that's often not a luxury that is afforded to us - especially at mealtimes.

I do know that Disney like to make out that everywhere is the perfect place for everyone - and it's not the case, even if it is Disney World! I was stood in the concierge queue at POFQ a year or two back and heard the cast member recommending several signature restaurants for a family of 4 (the 2 children being really quite young - 3/4 years old was my guess). As much as they rightfully have the option to eat there, I feel that the parents should choose responsibly for their family. It's not just about other guests' experiences, it's about their own and their children's, too, and I'm sure there are much better places for the kids to eat. Or you could even get childcare if they were so determined to eat at California Grill, for example. I know V&A is child free, but not everyone can afford that sort of dining experience (hundreds of dollars per person)!

I know it will be seen as a controversial opinion and I hope I don't have a horribly negative reaction, I just think that 'one size fits all' doesn't work all the time, even somewhere like Disney World.

Agreed!!! Also I see parents often taking their children out to dinner at extremely late hours for younger children. I had gone to dinner at Artist's Point with a friend on one of my trips and a family with a number of younger children came in with their parents. They weren't terribly disruptive as I recall, but it was a little sad to see them later on all asleep at the table. I just remember thinking they should be in their beds and more comfortable than sleeping on a restaurant table. It was around 10pm or so, which I thought was too late for smaller children to be out to dinner, but again the parents know their kids best and have to make those judgment calls. Marie

 

[Mr Anderson]

Yup - next time? I think I just won't bother - no escaping the keyboard Nazi's. Would you have liked it in Old English?

I wasn't trying to be a keyboard Nazi, good sir. I was just saying 'Mater Yoda' sounded funny to me; I was making light, combining Mater from Cars and Yoda from Star Wars. I wasn't trying to be rude at all. I apologize if I offended you.

 

[stevehousse]

If kids behave well in restaurants then it should not b a problem. I'm taking my young kids there, but they know how to act proper...in the last 6 years In a row we hve gone with the kids, only 1 time did my youngest (2 1/2 at the time) have a melt down. It was at garden grill so I didn't feel bad. I am one to always take my kid away and calm him down though, I'm not ignorant like others who just let there kid sit there and scream their heads off!

And since I am on the dining plan, I might as well order that huge steak for myself huh! You think they would allow it? I can't tell what the sides were though...

 

[Hockey89]

Alright so under this theory that one size does not fit all should adults not be allowed to go to any character meals because those restaurants should be designated for only those parties that have children 12 and under?

We get it you didn't want your life to change one bit because you wanted kids... But please stop with the adults can misbehave as well nonsense... I've eaten all over the world.. French Laundry, Per se ect ect.... I can count on a couple fingers adults acting up..... I would need fingers and toes to count how many times Ive seen screaming kids as the parents ignored the problem. Like you, they didn't want their lifestyle to change when they had kids, but it is not all about you... It is about others who are spending great amounts of money and many that paid for babysitters want to enjoy an adult dinner. Thank heavens many places are going kid free because most parents fail.... D

 

[Hockey89]

I am sorry for your bad experience but isn't this really on a person to person basis. Some children will be well behaved others will not. Same is true for adults. Why can't a child under 10 enjoy a nice meal and not be bored? Conversely, I know many adults who are completely incapable of enjoying a long meal and must rush through everything. Just as easily as you might be sitting next to a child who cant behave you could be sitting next to a table of 20 were everybody is loud and rambunctious. Are we not going to allow tables of more than 4 people now? I understand why Disney limits the age at V&A but to ask Disney to advise other restaurants are not kid friendly is silly for a number of reasons not the least of it the loss of revenue a restaurant may suffer as a result. The fact is just like a party of 20 should be understanding to those around them, parents should try to control their kids behavior.

You didn't want your lifestyle to change one bit when you had kids... Got it.... But please stop with the adults can act up too non sense. Ive eaten all over the world French Laundry Per se ect ect.... I can count on a couple fingers where grown ups acted up.... I would need toes, fingers, and more to count how many times Ive watched a screaming brat as his/her parents completed ignored the problem.... While some kids can behave, most fail completely and ruin the experience of others as they eat...

 

[Abby's Daddy]

You didn't want your lifestyle to change one bit when you had kids... Got it.... But please stop with the adults can act up too non sense. Ive eaten all over the world French Laundry Per se ect ect.... I can count on a couple fingers where grown ups acted up.... I would need toes, fingers, and more to count how many times Ive watched a screaming brat as his/her parents completed ignored the problem.... While some kids can behave, most fail completely and ruin the experience of others as they eat...

This isn't about my life and the way my kid behaves or that I didn't want my life to change. It would be impossible to have a kid and not have your life change significantly. This is about whether kids in general should be allowed in restaurants. Frankly if you don't want to be around kids when you dine don't go to Disney World, go to NY or Vegas. However, even in NY the high end restaurants will generally allow children. It's about revenue for them. Particularly, in Disney. If all the signature restaurants turned down families they wouldn't be there very long. Whether you want to believe it or not that family seated next to you is spending a lot of money to enjoy their experience as well. Your money is no better than theirs in Disney's eyes.

I agree with you though that parents should be cognizant of their child's behavior and do their best not to disturb other diner's dinner. But don't tell me you have never had a dining experience that was ruined by adults. No matter what restaurant you go to your experience can be effected by those dining around you. However, even if you put aside the argument that no matter where you dine in Disney World you are in perhaps one of the biggest kid friendly environments if you are placed near a kid in a restaurant and you are fearful they may misbehave you can ask to be seated elsewhere. I am sure the restaurant, particularly a signature, would accommodate you.

 

[Mr Anderson]

Soooo should I eat at Le Cellier or Yachtsman's?

 

[Abby's Daddy]

Soooo should I eat at Le Cellier or Yachtsman's?

Lol, Yachtsman, it's worth the trip out of Epcot.

 

[Mr Anderson]

Lol, Yachtsman, it's worth the trip out of Epcot.

I think after all the steakhouse-related advice I've seen here, I am leaning towards Yachtsman's. Now I'm just waiting on approval from the DW.

 

[stevehousse]

We get it you didn't want your life to change one bit because you wanted kids... But please stop with the adults can misbehave as well nonsense... I've eaten all over the world.. French Laundry, Per se ect ect.... I can count on a couple fingers adults acting up..... I would need fingers and toes to count how many times Ive seen screaming kids as the parents ignored the problem. Like you, they didn't want their lifestyle to change when they had kids, but it is not all about you... It is about others who are spending great amounts of money and many that paid for babysitters want to enjoy an adult dinner. Thank heavens many places are going kid free because most parents fail.... D

Your post is beyond rude...ur in WDW, a place overrun by children. If u don't want to dine with them, like @Abby's Daddy stated, don't go to wdw then...

 

[Hockey89]

Your post is beyond rude...ur in WDW, a place overrun by children. If u don't want to dine with them, like @Abby's Daddy stated, don't go to wdw then...

Wrong... When you are a nice place no matter where it is, you should act and respect people around you...A screaming child, no matter where it is, is wrong... WDW is for everybody not just kids....

 

[Abby's Daddy]

Wrong... When you are a nice place no matter where it is, you should act and respect people around you...A screaming child, no matter where it is, is wrong... WDW is for everybody not just kids....

Right it is for EVERYBODY. Thus, the proposal that WDW should tell people that Yachtsman is not family friendly in order to discourage children, which is what was suggested by nicb88 is simply wrong. A family with children has every right to be there as someone without kids and all parties should be respectful of those around them.

 

[Hockey89]

This isn't about my life and the way my kid behaves or that I didn't want my life to change. It would be impossible to have a kid and not have your life change significantly. This is about whether kids in general should be allowed in restaurants. Frankly if you don't want to be around kids when you dine don't go to Disney World, go to NY or Vegas. However, even in NY the high end restaurants will generally allow children. It's about revenue for them. Particularly, in Disney. If all the signature restaurants turned down families they wouldn't be there very long. Whether you want to believe it or not that family seated next to you is spending a lot of money to enjoy their experience as well. Your money is no better than theirs in Disney's eyes.

I agree with you though that parents should be cognizant of their child's behavior and do their best not to disturb other diner's dinner. But don't tell me you have never had a dining experience that was ruined by adults. No matter what restaurant you go to your experience can be effected by those dining around you. However, even if you put aside the argument that no matter where you dine in Disney World you are in perhaps one of the biggest kid friendly environments if you are placed near a kid in a restaurant and you are fearful they may misbehave you can ask to be seated elsewhere. I am sure the restaurant, particularly a signature, would accommodate you.

No, this is about parents that are too selfish to take into account others when they dine out... If kids go out to nice places and can behave, they should be welcomed. I don't disagree.... But in this day and age when people are so seflish and don't give a s about other people, you run into major problems... This is why you are starting to see a ton of places go kid free because parents will not be parents and attend to their screaming kids....I had one crawl under my chair at a Disney place. Parents watched for a bit, didn't say sorry and just could not careless...
You can sit in an airport for 5 seconds and know what kid will be a monster on the plane..

To sum up, if your child can behave, they should be welcome. If you will not take them out of the place during a meltdown, you should stay home. If you can't calm them down, you should stay outside. One of your original post says you may get an odd look bringing kids and that's because people are sick of the little darlings behaving...

 

[stevehousse]

Wrong... When you are a nice place no matter where it is, you should act and respect people around you...A screaming child, no matter where it is, is wrong... WDW is for everybody not just kids....

I think my main issue with ur posts is lumping bad parenting into every parent that dined out at a restaurant...sorry u have had bad experiences with kids and restaurants, but it's not every parent and every child that acts that way. I would never let my children act out and just ignore the problem. Then again, my kids love going out to dinner and are extremely well behaved when it comes to dining out. If u would have stated that some parents fail, we wouldn't be having this conversation, instead of suggesting all parents fail at making there children behave because it's just not true...you will see one day when ur old enough to have kids of ur own...

 

[PrincessNelly_NJ]

If kids behave well in restaurants then it should not b a problem. I'm taking my young kids there, but they know how to act proper...in the last 6 years In a row we hve gone with the kids, only 1 time did my youngest (2 1/2 at the time) have a melt down. It was at garden grill so I didn't feel bad. I am one to always take my kid away and calm him down though, I'm not ignorant like others who just let there kid sit there and scream their heads off!

And since I am on the dining plan, I might as well order that huge steak for myself huh! You think they would allow it? I can't tell what the sides were though...

Spinach, mushrooms, and I think the other one was caramelized onions?
I'm sure you get to choose from their sides.
I have a feeling they won't allow you to order it by yourself.

 

[Mr Anderson]

Y'all are having a frickin' meltdown. Seriously, chill. Woosah. Breathe. It's getting to be like the "7DMT for BIG people" thread or something up in here... sheesh.