Lasseter Taking Leave of Absence

[DisneyDoctor]

Based on my reading of your responses to this topic, I have to disagree with this premise.



I haven't made any comment at all concerning allegations against Stan Lee or his response.



I included the word "mature" both as an indication of their experience in the field, and as commentary on your attempt to discredit another poster by observing that he was nineteen years old, when you yourself are a mere four years older than that.

I apologize if it came off like I was accusing you of making a judgement towards Stan Lee. I included that blip to show that I haven't made made any judgements.

I live with a nurse, work with them, and have an insight to healthcare not many have. A 19 year old boy likely has much less, if any, experience compared to my own. I urged him to share any experience, but based off his silence it's safe to say he has none. I may be 4 years older, but I have experience to back my claims. Evidence is totally necessary to make such bold claims.

If you read his post, he literally said "it's part of the job." There were no assumptions made, he made a generalization and I took it at face value.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Stan Lee has been taken to the Internet court of justice and has been pronounced "Guilty" before even a shred of evidence has come forward.

The news was broken by a British tabloid that not even Wikipedia trusts as a "reliable source".

But this is how society functions in 2018...people will want his blood for this!

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

I saw many tweets like this yesterday after the "news" first broke.

"Sees Stan Lee is trending: oh, I hope he's not dead!
Sees why Stan Lee is trending: oh, I wish he were dead!"

 

[Practical Pig]

If you read his post, he literally said "it's part of the job." There were no assumptions made, he made a generalization and I took it at face value.

Let’s take a look at his exact words.

"Patients making passing comments at you and getting handsy is just part of being a nurse, especially in an old folks' home."

Why are you only taking only part of his comment at face value, ignoring the qualifying clause, and assuming that that is the full expression of the thought? I would agree that if the comment ended with "just part of being a nurse," you would have an excellent point. But it didn't. Maybe he did mean that nurses have to accept sexual harassment from any patient as part of the job, but I very much doubt it. Taken as a whole, his comment does not lead directly to that conclusion without making assumptions, and he followed up by clarifying that he was indeed referring to nurses having to work with people of diminished capacity, which you dismissed.

I live with a nurse, work with them, and have an insight to healthcare not many have. A 19 year old boy likely has much less, if any, experience compared to my own. I urged him to share any experience, but based off his silence it's safe to say he has none. I may be 4 years older, but I have experience to back my claims.

Maybe so. I don’t know. I do know that there are other reasons a person might ignore someone who is attacking them based on an assumption, and referring to an adult dismissively as a “boy.”

 

[DisneyDoctor]

Let’s take a look at his exact words.

"Patients making passing comments at you and getting handsy is just part of being a nurse, especially in an old folks' home."

Why are you only taking only part of his comment at face value, ignoring the qualifying clause, and assuming that that is the full expression of the thought? I would agree that if the comment ended with "just part of being a nurse," you would have an excellent point. But it didn't. Maybe he did mean that nurses have to accept sexual harassment from any patient as part of the job, but I very much doubt it. Taken as a whole, his comment does not lead directly to that conclusion without making assumptions, and he followed up by clarifying that he was indeed referring to nurses having to work with people of diminished capacity, which you dismissed.



Maybe so. I don’t know. I do know that there are other reasons a person might ignore someone who is attacking them based on an assumption, and referring to an adult dismissively as a “boy.”

The use of the word "especially" implies he thinks it's part of the job in all facets, but even more so in a nursing home. Both sentiments are not true. Both sentiments are disrespectful and wrong to hold. I've had a conversation with GF about this. She has trained in both settings and holds a job in a hospital. She's very adamant that sexual harassment in both settings is never tolerable. This is direct evidence from a reliable source, something TORR has yet to share. When signing a working contract, a "sexual harassment clause" does not exist, right? The employer doesn't say, "hey, sexual harassment may happen, you just gotta deal with it." This applies to both hospitals and nursing homes. I have made zero assumptions. I have read and analyzed his statement at face value. You have let your distaste for my words sway your interpretation of his statement.

This is the internet, if TORR cannot defend his claims, he shouldn't make them in the first place. His statements were insulting to all nurses, I called him out, he cowered behind you using only the 'like' button to communicate. Again, no assumptions made.

 

[Practical Pig]

The use of the word "especially" implies he thinks it's part of the job in all facets, but even more so in a nursing home.

That one statement can be interpreted that way. Based on all of the comments he made, I don't believe that assumption is correct. Your belief that it is true is based on your assumptive interpretation.

You have let your distaste for my words sway your interpretation of his statement.

That is your assumption.

he cowered behind you using only the 'like' button to communicate.

You are assuming that he is cowering behind me, which is not supported by anything like evidence.

Again, no assumptions made.

For someone who has displayed so many assumptions is so few words, you sure don't like to be called on it.

But I recognize part of you in myself back when I was as young as you are now. So make whatever righteous response you feel you need to, and we'll be done with this nonsense.

 

[TROR]

Just not worth my time to deal with someone being irrational

 

[DisneyDoctor]

Just not worth my time to deal with someone being irrational

Not worth my time dealing with unintelligent people who make claims with zero evidence.

 

[Kiwiduck]

The use of the word "especially" implies he thinks it's part of the job in all facets, but even more so in a nursing home. Both sentiments are not true. Both sentiments are disrespectful and wrong to hold. I've had a conversation with GF about this. She has trained in both settings and holds a job in a hospital. She's very adamant that sexual harassment in both settings is never tolerable. This is direct evidence from a reliable source, something TORR has yet to share. When signing a working contract, a "sexual harassment clause" does not exist, right? The employer doesn't say, "hey, sexual harassment may happen, you just gotta deal with it." This applies to both hospitals and nursing homes. I have made zero assumptions. I have read and analyzed his statement at face value. You have let your distaste for my words sway your interpretation of his statement.

This is the internet, if TORR cannot defend his claims, he shouldn't make them in the first place. His statements were insulting to all nurses, I called him out, he cowered behind you using only the 'like' button to communicate. Again, no assumptions made.

He said it was part of the job and it is! He never said it was a palatable part of the job or an acceptable part of the job. Just that it is a thing that happens in the job, like being abused by customers is a thing that cms have to deal with at Disney. Of course employers should do all they can to support and prevent but it is something that will happen when you are dealing with the senile, brain damaged, drunk and drugged as medical people have to.

 

[DisneyDoctor]

That one statement can be interpreted that way. Based on all of the comments he made, I don't believe that assumption is correct. Your belief that it is true is based on your assumptive interpretation.



That is your assumption.



You are assuming that he is cowering behind me, which is not supported by anything like evidence.



For someone who has displayed so many assumptions is so few words, you sure don't like to be called on it.

But I recognize part of you in myself back when I was as young as you are now. So make whatever righteous response you feel you need to, and we'll be done with this nonsense.

I'll just save us both the time. You make some valid points, but I still disagree. Have a nice day.

 

[DisneyDoctor]

Good gracious, I can’t believe I am defending tror. He said it was part of the job and it is! He never said it was a palatable part of the job or an acceptable part of the job. Just that it is a thing that happens in the job, like being abused by customers is a thing that cms have to deal with at Disney. Of course employers should do all they can to support and prevent but it is something that will happen when you are dealing with the senile, brain damaged, drunk and drugged as medical people have to.

CMs don't have to endure sexual harassment as "part of the job." But, it's okay. Keep telling yourself it's part of the job.

 

[Kiwiduck]

When you change your name from @DisneyMedStudent to Disney actual working professional I’ll be much more willing to listen to your views on this issue.

 

[Curious Constance]

Just not worth my time to deal with someone being irrational

I find more and more that people desperately try to portray anyone who has a different point of view or a slightly less "black and white" attitude towards a subject as evil, horrible human beings who don't deserve to speak. It's a very immature attitude to have, in my opinion.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

I find more and more that people desperately try to portray anyone who has a different point of view or a slightly less "black and white" attitude towards a subject as evil, horrible human beings who don't deserve to speak. It's a very immature attitude to have, in my opinion.

Much like the middle class, the middle ground in any debate seems to have disappeared.
You're either entirely 100% camp A, or entirely 100% camp B. And of course, no one in either camp can possibly hope to see anything good in the opposing camp, just someone who is 100% wrong.

It used to be that just politics divided people. But now it seems we're divided on everything and each side has its own Facebook support group/hashtag/gofundme/change.org petition to support it.

 

[DisneyDoctor]

When you change your name from @DisneyMedStudent to Disney actual working professional I’ll be much more willing to listen to your views on this issue.

What issue?

 

[flynnibus]

The hilarious part is 20 somethings thinking you can change a 75+yr old person just because 'society has changed'.

The only way the older population changes... is by dying.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

The hilarious part is 20 somethings thinking you can change a 75+yr old person just because 'society has changed'.

The only way the older population changes... is by dying.

Maybe its just the 20-something mentality too, but there's something in them that just thinks that they alone have all the bright ideas to fix all of societies woes, seldom realizing that they're probably contributing to or causing 95% of them to continue.

I love it when they say "come on, its ______(insert year)" as if suddenly being reminded of the calendar year is going to cause someone to instantly change their mind.

 

[DisneyDoctor]

The hilarious part is 20 somethings thinking you can change a 75+yr old person just because 'society has changed'.

The only way the older population changes... is by dying.

Welcome back flynnibon. Who's trying to change the 75+ people? I'm not. They still need care, but if someone doesn't want to be groped, they have every right to refuse (nurse wise).

 

[DisneyDoctor]

Maybe its just the 20-something mentality too, but there's something in them that just thinks that they alone have all the bright ideas to fix all of societies woes, seldom realizing that they're probably contributing to or causing 95% of them to continue.

I love it when they say "come on, its ______(insert year)" as if suddenly being reminded of the calendar year is going to cause someone to instantly change their mind.

What constitutes the 5% of woes we don't contribute to? I don't think any 20 year old thinks they are immune and not contributing to the problem. We want to try and change many of the problems that have plagued society for a long time. That's not a bad thing.

Have you thought about my original question? Now, what constitutes the 95% of problems we contribute to or cause?

 

[DisneyDoctor]

I find more and more that people desperately try to portray anyone who has a different point of view or a slightly less "black and white" attitude towards a subject as evil, horrible human beings who don't deserve to speak. It's a very immature attitude to have, in my opinion.

Thank you, oh moral compass, for your wise direction.