Journy into Imagination

SirGoofy

Member
I am surprised you are so closed minded about this! :lol: What was boring about it? You had the Preshow- the Hydrolaters (quite the awesome and realistic illusion)- Sea Cabs- and the main Sea Base to explore. It's not a thrill a minute, I realize that it, but it's not boring.:shrug: At least to me.

Eh, other than the hydrolators, I found the whole place to be incredibly dull.

Seacabs were just a ride through the aquarium, and then Seabase was the aquarium.

Now with Turtle Talk and the ride, I find the whole place much more lively.
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
Eh, other than the hydrolators, I found the whole place to be incredibly dull.

Seacabs were just a ride through the aquarium, and then Seabase was the aquarium.

Now with Turtle Talk and the ride, I find the whole place much more lively.

Eh. Opinion vs. Opinion.:lol:

TTlk has a ton of potential. I wish they would have made the show a bit more informative.
 

krankenstein

Well-Known Member
Eh...I don't mind the current Imagination. The original was by far better, but I don't mind this one. I normally ride it 4 or 5 times a trip. :shrug:
 

_Scar

Active Member
JII has a plan set out, as said before. An elaborate one at that. :D


As for Nemo...:fork::drevil: I can not wait until the wretched ride is in horrible condition, stale, and dead when the Nemo craze is over in 10 years or so! MUAAHAHA!:mad::ROFLOL::fork:
REFURB AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!:sohappy:

It feels good to finally say that.:eek::D:lookaroun


Nemo has surpassed Lion King in sales and Lion King is still wildly popular.... I don't think Nemo will be gone within 10 years.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Nemo just didn't have the room to become an elaborate dark ride. It was built in between two giant aquariums the entire ride, so that was probably the best that could be done. Gran Fiesta Tour was a minor rehab, but it made what was already there a lot better. JII does have animatronics of Figment in many spots throughout the ride. Buzz also has AAs in various places. It was designed that way to fit the Toy Story theme. It looks like something out of a video game because that's what it's suppose to look like. TSMM is another example of a ride that could only be pulled off the way it is.

I wouldn't say any of those have a lack of imagination, except for maybe JIIwF, but instead used the space they had to the best extent they could.
Nemo has plenty of room. It was done on the cheap and needed its low budget topped up.

JIIWF has even more room. It was done on the cheap.

Buzz was done on the cheap and shoehorned into a 26 year old ride

The real imagination was making an attraction as good as was possible with a low budget.
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
Nemo has surpassed Lion King in sales and Lion King is still wildly popular.... I don't think Nemo will be gone within 10 years.
Yet Lion King is gone....:lookaroun
Nemo has plenty of room. It was done on the cheap and needed its low budget topped up.

JIIWF has even more room. It was done on the cheap.

Buzz was done on the cheap and shoehorned into a 26 year old ride

The real imagination was making an attraction as good as was possible with a low budget.
You would think Nemo got money, with that immersive queue and all.


and AGREED in FULL on the last statement, Martin...Thanks.:)
 

Timekeeper

Well-Known Member
cmon spill it!! lol

One idea was to integrate 3D with a slow moving dark ride, somewhat like Spiderman on a smaller budget. The square footage is too small for a fast moving ride, and the park already has enough simulator-based rides (including all of the film-based attractions throughout world showcase). This would allow for the re-introduction of Dreamfinder without having to build too many elaborate props or sets. I'm not sure if the existing Magic Eye theater and Honey show influenced the decision to forego 3D in the current Journey attraction. We saw 3D end up in Mania, but Journey was never going to shove guests from big screen monitor-to-monitor in the way that Mania does.

The idea to refurb Star Tours with a new film using the same 3D technolgy was also floating around. Since everything is being created using CGI and no models or minatures nowadays, creating a 3D environment is much easier (i.e. the upcoming Toy Story 3D feature film). Too bad we couldn't see that done with Body Wars. :cry:
 

EpcotServo

Well-Known Member
TLM= MK!:fork::lol:


We want futurism!:D Sea Base BETA!;)

Hmmm...let me walk through this and see what they did wrong...

EpcotServo's The Living Seas - He wants built.

SeaBase Delta - The Fourth SeaBase, Commissioned 2021, and seeing the first crew arriving in the year 2031 is our destination this time. some 25 years after the original Seabase Alpha was constructed in the tropical reefs outside the Atlantic shelf, is the latest and most dangerous Seabase.

As part of the DEEP program (Deployment, Education, and Enrollment Program) we visitors, and possible new recruits for work at SeaBase walk through the plush and opulent lobby featuring antiques and history from the early days of Nautical Exploration.

We enter a round room, stark and deep blue. A jingle greets us as adventurous music plays.

"The ocean...as beautiful as man's imagination, and as deep as Man's fears."

The voice begins to delve into how Man as tried to conquer the Oceans, to no avail. Eventually he explains that through worldwide-cooperation, and government action, Seabase Alpha became an invalueable tool for learning about the Oceans. But when the dream was threatened, a "Friendly company we all know and love, stepped into those shoes, and began to truely conquer the ocean...Through understanding."

Seabase Beta, built in the Gulf Of Mexico, took the knowledge applied to Sea life in Alpha, was applied to Undersea Geology-And became a leaping off point for Several earth-shattering natural energy sources.

With Energy and Sea Life in mind, the next base, was built off the coast of Monterey Bay, not only the deepest SeaBase yet, but the first in the Pacific Ocean.

SeaBase Charlie, the most expensive, yet Smallest base yet to date, was built in the Antarctic. Helping us to learn of the global climate, while harvesting a better future from the boundless Energy trapped in that cold sea. For us-And Oceania Industries.



We soon find ourselves in a corporate looking theater with distinct modernistic and Asian influences. The room darkens.

A ruough-hewn voice greets us.

"Try to Imagine, just for a moment..."

The voice is that of Richard Staemount, (Played by actor Bill Nighy) the CEO of Operations for Oceania Industries. After painting a grand and frighting portrait of the creation and power of the Seas, he begins to explain that we still have to much to learn. From nation to nation, coast to coast, these bases have opened up a whole new world for us to explore, and cultivate. He dares us to choose a different fate. To choose the impossible, because you never know what you will find down there...

"Now we at Oceania Industries invite you to take your first step into your Future. We invite you to explore the darkest reaches of our living seas. We welcome you...to SeaBase Delta."

Ominous music booms as the opening doors break the darkness...Flashing lights ahead. As we walk through the doors, voices on the Radio chatter off and on, In English and Japanese.

Ahead is the Hydrolator doors, only these are much, much darker and tougher looking. Pipes, wires, vents, and rocks peierce the bubbling water. A voice chimes in, in English and Japanese:

"Attention guests of SeaBase Delta: DSP (Deep Sea Pressurized) Hydrolators are currently arriving at East Wing Airlocks. Please standby. Once the doors open, please proceed slowly into the Hydrolator, keeping your party together. Due to the effects of Rapid Decompression, you may experience Light-Headedness on arrival to SeaBase Delta. This is normal. Please be advised that Underwater currents, Volcanic Activity, and other unknown activity may cease or delay Hydrolator arrival. We thank you for your patience, and hope you enjoy your time at our Base."

With a flood of bubbles, and a release of Steam, the doors open and we board. Dark Blue, grey, and red is the sleek interior. Gone are the rocks, out the smaller, thicker and more bolted windows, we can see air lock walls, and reflections of water below us on them. The doors shut, followed by a BLAST of air. The Flat Screen Monitors around us flash "Pressurizing For Descent"

A com voice checks in as the lights dim.

"Tower to Dispatch, Hydrolator 3 is ready for sortie."

With a THUD of water, the walls give way to streams of bubbles and dark blue. The screens show our Hydrolator descending rapidly.

"Hydrolator 3 is clear of Dispatch"

"Approching 300ft. and Energy Fillers are holding steady."

"Roger."

The light blue gets darker and darker as we go deeper and deeper.

A Video Comlink opens up on one of the screens.

"Welcome to the SharkBait can my friends! Enjoying the ride? No? I can't stand em' myself. It's all the fun of being stuck in an Elevator with the added element of being hundreds of feet below the ocean, plummiting at 50 feet per second. Not to mention 1/8ths of an inch of glass seperating you and tons of cubic feet of pressured oxygen per square inch, and instant drowning from the entire ocean squeezing on your transport like a tin can."

The walls around us deeply moan and rattle as the floor shakes even more.He begins to laugh as another crew member rolls into frame, blocking his own Mic.

"Ignore alan, Folks he does this to every Hydrolator"

He touches Alan's screen and reads it.

"What he meant to say was that you're at 700 Ft. and looking fine."

He rolls back to his station, while Alan chuckles.

"Who says we don't have fun?...ANYWAYS, just hang on for approch. You'll be arriving at DownDock in a few seconds. You on the edges might wanna hang to the rail...You in the center can hang on too...each other I guess."


The com link statics out, then back in.

"Oh yeah, and and your ears might pop after the Cabin Pressurizes, don't worry, that'll happen after Total Oxygen Decompression and arriving 1,000 feet below the Seas. Have fun..."

The Cabin Shakes back and forth violently as the bubbles rush faster. CLUNK...BABAMMMM! A rough stop. As the water lowers, we see similar airlock walls around us. Another long BLAST of air and a piercing ringing noise. The doors open.

After boarding Dark Blue SeaCabs we slowly pass through gun metal hallways, looking out into the dark blue ocean -where huge fish, and giant schools pass by. Grey volcanic coral surrounding. (A much different atmosphere than the bright coral reefs of the Atlantic.)

Rows of TV's above and around us show us where we're at. A voice explains...

"SeaBase Delta, the newest SeaBase, is a consummate work in progress located in the deep Pacific, in the heart of the "Dragon's Triangle". A focal point of research in Energy and Sea Life, for harnessing (With our working partners from America, Russia, and Japan) the Living Seas for a better future."

As the Oceania industries PR plays out, it's interrupted by a Live Feed of Alan from the Hydrolators, backed by Commander Mark Fulton.(Played by Nathan Fillion)

"This is Commander Fulton of SeaBase Delta, sorry to interrupt the carefully planned and no expense spared videos by our wonderful superiors, but down here they can't much care that we haven't had time to clean up from Yesterday's Earthquakes. As you can see down at these depths it takes quite a beating, so if you wanna' work with us keeping this place from flooding and research just what's going on down here, best find something to do as soon as you get here. If you want a gilded tour, the Hydrolators are back are right up ahead."

"Commander Fulton, Modules 76 and 9B have malfunctioning Compression Tanks, we need an authorization for Diver Lockout."

"...Perfect. Now you tourists can really help, you wanted the SeaBase Delta experience , this is a heck of a day to have it. Over and out."

Now we see the Main Hall...Far from the clean look of Alpha, this is a stark white, grey, black, and red hall. Most is still sheet Metal. Tubes, Pipes, Panels, and lights everywhere. There are several falls of water leaking from pipes, flowing all the way to the main floor, and into a pit. A Large Gap in the roof reveals more duct and paneling work. Smoke pouring out, as sparks fly out to the sounds of a wielding torch. Hazy smoke fills the air, as hundreds of screens flash diagnostics.

From here many adventures await. In an E-Ticket Dark Ride using a multi-level ride system variant of 20K at TDS, you can explore an Underwater Canyon, in search of new life-and the mysterious energy source as alluded to earlier.

Exhibits and hands on adventures actually provoke interaction to aid the crew of SeaBase Alpha, and the deep sea environment around it, shifting the focus from SeaLife back to how the Sea impacts the world at large.

On the less shakey ascent, Alan greets us on the screens again.

"Leaving so soon? And just when we fixed about 10% of the Malfunctioning systems...Oh well, we have a saying down here: If it ain't Life Support, don't fix it....Don't tell Oceania Industries that of course..."

"I heard that..."

Commander Fulton chimes in.

"Well, as you can see there's a real spirit of adventure down here. May not be pretty, but discovery isn't always shiny. Contracted or not, we can always use some help keeping stable down here at 1,000 feet. So feel free to come back down here anytime...Take care."


"Hydrolator Docking...standby for Decompression and sweet, sweet land...Bye now!"

A blast of wind, as the doors sigh open into the bright daylight of Epcot.






Yeah, now that I thought that through I have about a billion problems with how they redid it.
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
Hmmm...let me walk through this and see what they did wrong...

EpcotServo's The Living Seas - He wants built.

SeaBase Delta - The Fourth SeaBase, Commissioned 2021, and seeing the first crew arriving in the year 2031 is our destination this time. some 25 years after the original Seabase Alpha was constructed in the tropical reefs outside the Atlantic shelf, is the latest and most dangerous Seabase.

As part of the DEEP program (Deployment, Education, and Enrollment Program) we visitors, and possible new recruits for work at SeaBase walk through the plush and opulent lobby featuring antiques and history from the early days of Nautical Exploration.

We enter a round room, stark and deep blue. A jingle greets us as adventurous music plays.

"The ocean...as beautiful as man's imagination, and as deep as Man's fears."

The voice begins to delve into how Man as tried to conquer the Oceans, to no avail. Eventually he explains that through worldwide-cooperation, and government action, Seabase Alpha became an invalueable tool for learning about the Oceans. But when the dream was threatened, a "Friendly company we all know and love, stepped into those shoes, and began to truely conquer the ocean...Through understanding."

Seabase Beta, built in the Gulf Of Mexico, took the knowledge applied to Sea life in Alpha, was applied to Undersea Geology-And became a leaping off point for Several earth-shattering natural energy sources.

With Energy and Sea Life in mind, the next base, was built off the coast of Monterey Bay, not only the deepest SeaBase yet, but the first in the Pacific Ocean.

SeaBase Charlie, the most expensive, yet Smallest base yet to date, was built in the Antarctic. Helping us to learn of the global climate, while harvesting a better future from the boundless Energy trapped in that cold sea. For us-And Oceania Industries.



We soon find ourselves in a corporate looking theater with distinct modernistic and Asian influences. The room darkens.

A ruough-hewn voice greets us.

"Try to Imagine, just for a moment..."

The voice is that of Richard Staemount, (Played by actor Bill Nighy) the CEO of Operations for Oceania Industries. After painting a grand and frighting portrait of the creation and power of the Seas, he begins to explain that we still have to much to learn. From nation to nation, coast to coast, these bases have opened up a whole new world for us to explore, and cultivate. He dares us to choose a different fate. To choose the impossible, because you never know what you will find down there...

"Now we at Oceania Industries invite you to take your first step into your Future. We invite you to explore the darkest reaches of our living seas. We welcome you...to SeaBase Delta."

Ominous music booms as the opening doors break the darkness...Flashing lights ahead. As we walk through the doors, voices on the Radio chatter off and on, In English and Japanese.

Ahead is the Hydrolator doors, only these are much, much darker and tougher looking. Pipes, wires, vents, and rocks peierce the bubbling water. A voice chimes in, in English and Japanese:

"Attention guests of SeaBase Delta: DSP (Deep Sea Pressurized) Hydrolators are currently arriving at East Wing Airlocks. Please standby. Once the doors open, please proceed slowly into the Hydrolator, keeping your party together. Due to the effects of Rapid Decompression, you may experience Light-Headedness on arrival to SeaBase Delta. This is normal. Please be advised that Underwater currents, Volcanic Activity, and other unknown activity may cease or delay Hydrolator arrival. We thank you for your patience, and hope you enjoy your time at our Base."

With a flood of bubbles, and a release of Steam, the doors open and we board. Dark Blue, grey, and red is the sleek interior. Gone are the rocks, out the smaller, thicker and more bolted windows, we can see air lock walls, and reflections of water below us on them. The doors shut, followed by a BLAST of air. The Flat Screen Monitors around us flash "Pressurizing For Descent"

A com voice checks in as the lights dim.

"Tower to Dispatch, Hydrolator 3 is ready for sortie."

With a THUD of water, the walls give way to streams of bubbles and dark blue. The screens show our Hydrolator descending rapidly.

"Hydrolator 3 is clear of Dispatch"

"Approching 300ft. and Energy Fillers are holding steady."

"Roger."

The light blue gets darker and darker as we go deeper and deeper.

A Video Comlink opens up on one of the screens.

"Welcome to the SharkBait can my friends! Enjoying the ride? No? I can't stand em' myself. It's all the fun of being stuck in an Elevator with the added element of being hundreds of feet below the ocean, plummiting at 50 feet per second. Not to mention 1/8ths of an inch of glass seperating you and tons of cubic feet of pressured oxygen per square inch, and instant drowning from the entire ocean squeezing on your transport like a tin can."

The walls around us deeply moan and rattle as the floor shakes even more.He begins to laugh as another crew member rolls into frame, blocking his own Mic.

"Ignore alan, Folks he does this to every Hydrolator"

He touches Alan's screen and reads it.

"What he meant to say was that you're at 700 Ft. and looking fine."

He rolls back to his station, while Alan chuckles.

"Who says we don't have fun?...ANYWAYS, just hang on for approch. You'll be arriving at DownDock in a few seconds. You on the edges might wanna hang to the rail...You in the center can hang on too...each other I guess."


The com link statics out, then back in.

"Oh yeah, and and your ears might pop after the Cabin Pressurizes, don't worry, that'll happen after Total Oxygen Decompression and arriving 1,000 feet below the Seas. Have fun..."

The Cabin Shakes back and forth violently as the bubbles rush faster. CLUNK...BABAMMMM! A rough stop. As the water lowers, we see similar airlock walls around us. Another long BLAST of air and a piercing ringing noise. The doors open.

After boarding Dark Blue SeaCabs we slowly pass through gun metal hallways, looking out into the dark blue ocean -where huge fish, and giant schools pass by. Grey volcanic coral surrounding. (A much different atmosphere than the bright coral reefs of the Atlantic.)

Rows of TV's above and around us show us where we're at. A voice explains...

"SeaBase Delta, the newest SeaBase, is a consummate work in progress located in the deep Pacific, in the heart of the "Dragon's Triangle". A focal point of research in Energy and Sea Life, for harnessing (With our working partners from America, Russia, and Japan) the Living Seas for a better future."

As the Oceania industries PR plays out, it's interrupted by a Live Feed of Alan from the Hydrolators, backed by Commander Mark Fulton.(Played by Nathan Fillion)

"This is Commander Fulton of SeaBase Delta, sorry to interrupt the carefully planned and no expense spared videos by our wonderful superiors, but down here they can't much care that we haven't had time to clean up from Yesterday's Earthquakes. As you can see down at these depths it takes quite a beating, so if you wanna' work with us keeping this place from flooding and research just what's going on down here, best find something to do as soon as you get here. If you want a gilded tour, the Hydrolators are back are right up ahead."

"Commander Fulton, Modules 76 and 9B have malfunctioning Compression Tanks, we need an authorization for Diver Lockout."

"...Perfect. Now you tourists can really help, you wanted the SeaBase Delta experience , this is a heck of a day to have it. Over and out."

Now we see the Main Hall...Far from the clean look of Alpha, this is a stark white, grey, black, and red hall. Most is still sheet Metal. Tubes, Pipes, Panels, and lights everywhere. There are several falls of water leaking from pipes, flowing all the way to the main floor, and into a pit. A Large Gap in the roof reveals more duct and paneling work. Smoke pouring out, as sparks fly out to the sounds of a wielding torch. Hazy smoke fills the air, as hundreds of screens flash diagnostics.

From here many adventures await. In an E-Ticket Dark Ride using a multi-level ride system variant of 20K at TDS, you can explore an Underwater Canyon, in search of new life-and the mysterious energy source as alluded to earlier.

Exhibits and hands on adventures actually provoke interaction to aid the crew of SeaBase Alpha, and the deep sea environment around it, shifting the focus from SeaLife back to how the Sea impacts the world at large.

On the less shakey ascent, Alan greets us on the screens again.

"Leaving so soon? And just when we fixed about 10% of the Malfunctioning systems...Oh well, we have a saying down here: If it ain't Life Support, don't fix it....Don't tell Oceania Industries that of course..."

"I heard that..."

Commander Fulton chimes in.

"Well, as you can see there's a real spirit of adventure down here. May not be pretty, but discovery isn't always shiny. Contracted or not, we can always use some help keeping stable down here at 1,000 feet. So feel free to come back down here anytime...Take care."


"Hydrolator Docking...standby for Decompression and sweet, sweet land...Bye now!"

A blast of wind, as the doors sigh open into the bright daylight of Epcot.






Yeah, now that I thought that through I have about a billion problems with how they redid it.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Are you on some kind of a fantastic writing kick!?:lol:

AGAIN, amazing!!:D

I can't find a flaw save for the fact of the environment...While I would want it to be more "rough" like you depicted it to be more in juxtaposition with Alpha, I would think Delta would be more akin to a sleek but always in motion type of place. Kinda like hoe this new Star Trek movie portrayed Enterprise...You can feel the kinetics and the pressure, so to speak? While the surroundings look slick and new, you would know that it's a hostile environment. I suppose that all comes down to lighting and BGM, though.


Again, AWESOME, AWESOME work...I want this.:eek:
 

EpcotServo

Well-Known Member
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Are you on some kind of a fantastic writing kick!?:lol:

AGAIN, amazing!!:D

I can't find a flaw save for the fact of the environment...While I would want it to be more "rough" like you depicted it to be more in juxtaposition with Alpha, I would think Delta would be more akin to a sleek but always in motion type of place. Kinda like hoe this new Star Trek movie portrayed Enterprise...You can feel the kinetics and the pressure, so to speak? While the surroundings look slick and new, you would know that it's a hostile environment. I suppose that all comes down to lighting and BGM, though.


Again, AWESOME, AWESOME work...I want this.:eek:

It's supposed to be what would happen if Alpha was way deeper, built by Japan & Russia, running on generation energy filler cells, and cost cut and run by the private sector. So call it "Unsleek-chique".

So I'm thinking more of the ENGINE Room from the new Enterprise, meets claustrophobic space station, meets factory, Meets Hunt for Red October, meets Firefly/Blade Runner.

Distinctly "Un-Apple" architecture.
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
It's supposed to be what would happen if Alpha was way deeper, built by Japan & Russia, running on generation energy filler cells, and cost cut and run by the private sector. So call it "Unsleek-chique".

So I'm thinking more of the ENGINE Room from the new Enterprise, meets claustrophobic space station, meets factory, Meets Hunt for Red October, meets Firefly/Blade Runner.

Distinctly "Un-Apple" architecture.
Ah...Understood. We need Apple-esque in EPCOT though!:lol:
 

montyz81

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I heard somewhere that the Turntable would no longer turn. Is it possible that during a rehab they could fix it and reinvent that part of the original ride.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
I heard somewhere that the Turntable would no longer turn. Is it possible that during a rehab they could fix it and reinvent that part of the original ride.
Nope. It`d need replacing from scratch. A lot of the rotating base and mechanism is intact but damaged beyond repair.
 

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