EPCOT Is the End of Innoventions Near?

[flynnibus]

See the sketch I posted. There were other options. But they chose the easy one.

Yes but lack of ideas wasn’t what held this space back for nearly 25 years... just because there was alternatives I don’t think that dooms all other paths.

And frankly the sketch isn’t that appealing to me either. Feels like much of the same. I for one am bored out of skull with the attempts and ideas floated trying to fit within those walls for the last 30 yrs.

 

[marni1971]

Yes but lack of ideas wasn’t what held this space back for nearly 25 years... just because there was alternatives I don’t think that dooms all other paths.

And frankly the sketch isn’t that appealing to me either. Feels like much of the same. I for one am bored out of skull with the attempts and ideas floated trying to fit within those walls for the last 30 yrs.

I’m happy for you. I tend to disagree. But hey.

Enjoy your bar on stilts.

 

[Timothy_Q]

Where’s the creativity? Where’s the context? Where’s the underlying theme?

None of those things are (or have been) present at Epcot for a couple decades, for sure.

I just don't understand why they would choose the more expensive option for this project.
That rarely has been the case for recent projects

 

[marni1971]

None of those things are (or have been) present at Epcot for a couple decades, for sure.

I just don't understand why they would choose the more expensive option for this project.
That rarely has been the case for recent projects

This isn’t the more expensive one.

 

[flynnibus]

I’m happy for you. I tend to disagree. But hey.

Enjoy your bar on stilts.

I won’t be... just like I have zero interests in their drinking “festivals” now... but that doesn’t make me want innoventions any more than I did before. The idea of permanent festivals has been on the cusp of this place for nearly a decade. The concrete shells weren’t the white knight that would fight that off.

I just want opportunity for future change. Once they’ve blown themselves out the idea of charging people $100/day to goto paid home and garden shows

 

[Timothy_Q]

This isn’t the more expensive one.

So if I understand this:

$ - Reusing CC (plan you just drew)
$$ - Approved plan demoing half of CC
$$$ - Something else

 

[marni1971]

So if I understand this:

$ - Reusing CC (plan you just drew)
$$ - Approved plan demoing half of CC
$$$ - Something else

The hotel version was most expensive.
Then the version I drew.
Then the one we’re getting.
The cheapest was the clear everything plan.

 

[trainplane3]

I was asked to get the pencils out. This is an rough example of what the real prize was like:

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Wow, a expanded CC would've been incredible. That's a plan that I would be behind. You still have booze but you keep the core in tact.

 

[Timothy_Q]

The hotel version was most expensive.
Then the version I drew.
Then the one we’re getting.
The cheapest was the clear everything plan.

Why is demoing and rebuilding cheaper than just reusing CC in this scenario?
My brain doesn't comprehend that part

I was under the impression they only demo'd half of CC because they didn't get the budget approved to demo the whole thing

 

[MisterPenguin]

Why is demoing and rebuilding cheaper than just reusing CC in this scenario?
My brain doesn't comprehend that part

The robots were unionized.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

I was asked to get the pencils out. This is an rough example of what the real prize was like:

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That’s what is coming soon or this was an opinion they chose not to do? Interesting

 

[marni1971]

That’s what is coming soon or this was an opinion they chose not to do? Interesting

This is what’s not coming.

 

[nickys]

I was asked to get the pencils out. This is an rough example of what the real prize was like:

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What’s ODV?

And would love to know about the theatre and robots too.

 

[marni1971]

What’s ODV?

And would love to know about the theatre and robots too.

Outdoor vending.

 

[DisneyDreamerxyz]

in the original concept art from 2017 both communicore buildings are gone, somewhere along the line the decided to keep one.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Why is demoing and rebuilding cheaper than just reusing CC in this scenario?
My brain doesn't comprehend that part

I was under the impression they only demo'd half of CC because they didn't get the budget approved to demo the whole thing

It’s cheaper because they’re rebuilding less. Much of the space is being replaced with landscape. Operating costs of maintaining the structures is also removed from ongoing costs.

 

[Little Green Men]

I was asked to get the pencils out. This is an rough example of what the real prize was like:

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Is the East CC building going to look similar to this? I assume Starbucks will go in the TSR and Club Cool in the smaller quick serve on this sketch?

 

[*Q*]

I was asked to get the pencils out. This is an rough example of what the real prize was like:

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I legitimately thought the section surrounding World of Coke said “SQUIRRELS” at first.

 

[UNCgolf]

Why is demoing and rebuilding cheaper than just reusing CC in this scenario?
My brain doesn't comprehend that part

I was under the impression they only demo'd half of CC because they didn't get the budget approved to demo the whole thing

It's actually often cheaper to demolish and rebuild than it is to renovate an existing building. It depends on how extensive the planned changes are.

Of course, in this case, they aren't even rebuilding a new structure (at least not of the same size), so I'm sure it was much cheaper.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Yes but lack of ideas wasn’t what held this space back for nearly 25 years... just because there was alternatives I don’t think that dooms all other paths.

And frankly the sketch isn’t that appealing to me either. Feels like much of the same. I for one am bored out of skull with the attempts and ideas floated trying to fit within those walls for the last 30 yrs.

I kind of feel the same way. Those buildings were beginning to feel like a straitjacket, and any smart project leader would have told the design team not to feel constrained to work with the existing spaces. As others have finally also mentioned, keeping the buildings was likely more expensive than demolishing them and building something new. So even on that level it didn't make sense.

On the other hand, I also tend to agree with everyone that another bar and a festival center doesn't inspire. Aesthetically, I do like the look of the festival center, though, and, while I'm indifferent about the Moana water experience, I also suspect that will also at least look nice. That's the other thing for me in all this: I don't think the Communicore buildings are all that attractive or interesting architecturally. I understand people have warm nostalgic feelings attached to them, but it seems that it's that (perfectly valid) nostalgia that is driving the argument for why the buildings should have been preserved more than the buildings' intrinsic qualities.

So, while all of this is far from inspiring, it does seem like a better outcome than just continuing to shuffle things around inside these convention center-style buildings for all eternity.