Is the clock ticking on the Sorcerer Mickey Hat icon at the Studios? YES!

[Next Big Thing]

One the BAH is gone, the only major Eisner-era mess left to clean up is CommuniCore Plaza, specifically the suspended triangular/kite-shaped awnings.

Epcot has a lot of problems, but this is one of the bigger ones, affecting the overall feel of the area.

 

[ToTBellHop]

One the BAH is gone, the only major Eisner-era mess left to clean up is CommuniCore Plaza, specifically the suspended triangular/kite-shaped awnings.

Epcot has a lot of problems, but this is one of the bigger ones, affecting the overall feel of the area.

Then we can move on to the Iger-era messes?

 

[Next Big Thing]

Then we can move on to the Iger-era messes?

Well, Iger hasn't implemented nearly as many glaringly ugly things into the parks. Instead he's just chosen not to invest in the parks, which has been the main problem. It's been all Magic Bands and DVC with this guy.

(Who was Chester Hester? Was that an Eisner decision or was that Iger?)

 

[wdrive]

Keep this idiot out of power at WDW. ThemeParkReview's endorsement of terrible WDW decisions is part of the reason little has changed and improved at the secondary parks.

I used to love that website but I'm sure they're on the Disney payroll these days.

EDIT: Just realized how stupid that sounds as they are saying they want to keep the hat, but usually they're ridiculously over the top in their praise for whatever Disney does.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Well, Iger hasn't implemented nearly as many glaringly ugly things into the parks. Instead he's just chosen not to invest in the parks, which has been the main problem. It's been all Magic Bands and DVC with this guy.

(Who was Chester Hester? Was that an Eisner decision or was that Iger?)

That was Eisner. But, so was Everest and ToT...I would argue we currently enjoy more in the parks from Eisner's time than Iger's.

 

[Next Big Thing]

That was Eisner. But, so was Everest and ToT...I would argue we currently enjoy more in the parks from Eisner's time than Iger's.

I would as well. As I said, Iger has sparsely invested in the parks. All we've gotten from him in WDW really is TSMM (clone), and New Fantasyland, which was comprised of an expensive clone (LM), SDMT, ETwB, Gaston's and Be Our Guest).

Plus a bunch of interactive stuff, which really all falls under the MyMagic+ banner. California hasn't honestly received much more when you think about it. Sure they got an amazing DCA expansion, but we got the FLE, a DHS overhaul hopefully on the way and Avatar/Rivers of Light expansion at DAK are underway (and I guess I should mention Disney Springs).

A lot of money has been spent on WDW, it just hasn't been in the places we've wanted it to be. We're starting to see a bit of a shift where attractions are being built again, but they screwed up for so long, it's gonna take a good minute to actually get the places back up to speed.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Well, Iger hasn't implemented nearly as many glaringly ugly things into the parks. Instead he's just chosen not to invest in the parks, which has been the main problem. It's been all Magic Bands and DVC with this guy.

(Who was Chester Hester? Was that an Eisner decision or was that Iger?)

Lack of knowledge is the reason of some of the discontent with some of the Disney offerings. It is not understanding the story behind them. Research the reason that the Chester & Hester carnival rides are there and all of a sudden it will fall into place. Very few dinosaur fans are in the adult category anyway, so appealing to the kids is a wise choice for that area. Otherwise hardly anyone would set foot in it. Always check out the back-story, it is fascinating sometimes.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Lack of knowledge is the reason of some of the discontent with some of the Disney offerings. It is not understanding the story behind them. Research the reason that the Chester & Hester carnival rides are there and all of a sudden it will fall into place. Very few dinosaur fans are in the adult category anyway, so appealing to the kids is a wise choice for that area. Otherwise hardly anyone would set foot in it. Always check out the back-story, it is fascinating sometimes.

The backstory to Chester and Hester's Dino-Rama was to justify a very tiny budget, a very short development timeline and a demand to add more rides. It was not part of the original idea for the area, just grafted on to make it sort of work. In the end though it justifies the experience of a non-place, which is not desirable because we seldom have an emotional connection to non-places.

 

[Next Big Thing]

Lack of knowledge is the reason of some of the discontent with some of the Disney offerings. It is not understanding the story behind them. Research the reason that the Chester & Hester carnival rides are there and all of a sudden it will fall into place. Very few dinosaur fans are in the adult category anyway, so appealing to the kids is a wise choice for that area. Otherwise hardly anyone would set foot in it. Always check out the back-story, it is fascinating sometimes.

No, the back story of Chester & Hester was made up to justify the area being cheap. You do realize they can make up whatever the hell they want for a back story, right?

 

[Goofyernmost]

No, the back story of Chester & Hester was made up to justify the area being cheap. You do realize they can make up whatever the hell they want for a back story, right?

The backstory to Chester and Hester's Dino-Rama was to justify a very tiny budget, a very short development timeline and a demand to add more rides. It was not part of the original idea for the area, just grafted on to make it sort of work. In the end though it justifies the experience of a non-place, which is not desirable because we seldom have an emotional connection to non-places.

Oh, for heavens sake... OF COURSE IT'S A MADE UP BACK STORY!!! All of Disney is a made up story. Unless you both have a source for your assumption then it's just what you want it to be. You don't like it so it's something on the cheap.

Yes, I know, the next thing to be said is that Walt didn't want any cheap carnival rides in his park. I guess that would mean the the Carousel, Dumbo, and Tea Cups were forced upon him by the accountants.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Oh, for heavens sake... OF COURSE IT'S A MADE UP BACK STORY!!! All of Disney is a made up story. Unless you both have a source for your assumption then it's just what you want it to be. You don't like it so it's something on the cheap.

Yes, I know, the next thing to be said is that Walt didn't want any cheap carnival rides in his park. I guess that would mean the the Carousel, Dumbo, and Tea Cups were forced upon him by the accountants.

The issue is not really that it is cheap. Plenty can be done on the cheap and be done well. The issue is that it is the experience of a non-place, particularly one with many negative public associations that primary focus on a lack of care for the guest experience. Chester and Hester's Dino-Rama is exactly the sort of place that Disneyland was reacting against.

The story of building Disney's Animal Kingdom is rather widely known and discussed.

 

[Next Big Thing]

The issue is not really that it is cheap. Plenty can be done on the cheap and be done well. The issue is that it is the experience of a non-place, particularly one with many negative public associations that primary focus on a lack of care for the guest experience. Chester and Hester's Dino-Rama is exactly the sort of place that Disneyland was reacting against.

The story of building Disney's Animal Kingdom is rather widely known and discussed.

Exactly, something cheap doesn't need to LOOK cheap. When I pay $94 + tax to get into DAK, I don't expect one of the lands to be a roadside carnival. Literally. Down to the parking lot and cheap looking rickety, death trap coaster (that multiple people HAVE died from).

Just look at what Universal did with Springfield. That area is THEMED to a carnival in a section, yet it still looks of high quality. They were able to transform a dead area of the park (what i'd consider Chester/Hester) and turn it into a vibrant, attractive place that people want to spend time and money in. They even added a nicely themed spinner, without making it look cheap (in fact it's fairly unique).

 

[Kman101]

I don't praise Springfield as much as others do but it IS better than Chester and Hester's. I used to sort of tie them together but Springfield is definitely better themed. I mean, at least we have the Dino Institute/Dinosaur and Restarauntosaurus (the theming inside is wonderfully done). But even Dinosaur has been cheaped out on (and I rarely ride it, even considering the type of ride it is). Primeval Whirl is a fun little ride but it's just as cheap as Mullholland Madness was at DCA. Triceratop Spin is embarassing to look at. Sure, kinds might not mind it but I doubt anyone has a real connection to it. I've longed hoped for a Dinoland makeover. I mean, hasn't Rhode or some imagineer gone on record that Chester and Hester's can be "easily removed later". Hello ... it was meant to be temporary. Just temporary with TDO means years and decades.

 

[marni1971]

Dinorama was designed to be removed within a week.

That's how cheap and temporary it was thought and planned to be.

 

[Goofyernmost]

The issue is not really that it is cheap. Plenty can be done on the cheap and be done well. The issue is that it is the experience of a non-place, particularly one with many negative public associations that primary focus on a lack of care for the guest experience. Chester and Hester's Dino-Rama is exactly the sort of place that Disneyland was reacting against.

The story of building Disney's Animal Kingdom is rather widely known and discussed.

Yes, that is true and no one knew that more then Eisner. The difference is that it appears to be a roadside carnival but it is in Walt Disney World. It is meant to be a mockery of what used to happen and how they got in existence to begin with.

Exactly, something cheap doesn't need to LOOK cheap. When I pay $94 + tax to get into DAK, I don't expect one of the lands to be a roadside carnival. Literally. Down to the parking lot and cheap looking rickety, death trap coaster (that multiple people HAVE died from).

Just look at what Universal did with Springfield. That area is THEMED to a carnival in a section, yet it still looks of high quality. They were able to transform a dead area of the park (what i'd consider Chester/Hester) and turn it into a vibrant, attractive place that people want to spend time and money in. They even added a nicely themed spinner, without making it look cheap (in fact it's fairly unique).

Well, considering the "back-story", yes it did need to look cheap. C & H would not have had the time or the money to create a Disney Type attraction especially since that didn't even exist during the time of this story. It is meant to look on the cheap and give the over all feel of what the area might have been like if it actually existed. Sometimes I think that there are way to many trees hiding the forest when it comes to realizing what it is all about.

To clarify, I have only walked around in that area once in it's existence. Nothing in there appealed to me in the sense that I wanted to participate. That is why I go to WDW. Like you, I didn't like those kind of roadside attractions, but, to be true to the story, it had to look like that. It is more of a caricature and a highlight of exploitation then anything else. It was never meant to draw large crowds. It was part of the show. Not everything in life is high quality. Everything in there, however, is an actual "cheap" attraction that works and can be enjoyed by people if they choose to do so.

 

[Next Big Thing]

Well, considering the "back-story", yes it did need to look cheap. C & H would not have had the time or the money to create a Disney Type attraction especially since that didn't even exist during the time of this story. It is meant to look on the cheap and give the over all feel of what the area might have been like if it actually existed. Sometimes I think that there are way to many trees hiding the forest when it comes to realizing what it is all about.

All I can do is face palm at this post.

I don't know how much clearer I can try and make it for you. They can make the back story WHATEVER THE HELL THEY WANT. Chester & Hester ARE NOT REAL.

The back story could've been *Anything*. But the went with a roadside carnival because that's what the budget allowed, and people like you are gullible enough to believer that because there's a back story, that justifies the area being cheap.

 

[wdrive]

Well (face palm) you are apparently not getting it either. They made is what they wanted whether you or anyone else thinks it is "cheap". It stays with the story line in a way that high quality displays would not have. I'm sorry that you cannot see past what you think is just a way for Disney to save money and realize that this is the story that they are telling. You just refuse to accept anything other then what your 21st century mindset tells you it should be.

The story is only there because it fit in with what was cheap. That area of the park is not up to standard whatever the backstory is.

If you honestly believe that area is a quality area I'm amazed.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Springfield works more because

Well (face palm) you are apparently not getting it either. They made is what they wanted whether you or anyone else thinks it is "cheap". It stays with the story line in a way that high quality displays would not have. I'm sorry that you cannot see past what you think is just a way for Disney to save money and realize that this is the story that they are telling. You just refuse to accept anything other then what your 21st century mindset tells you it should be.

Panicked reaction is hardly the same as "what they wanted."

 

[Wikkler]

Someone should totally camp out with a webcam and charge for pay-per-view programming...I can see myself now...

and a happy new year to all you ladies and gents! May this year be filled with cool stuff for all!

So I guess this is a tradeoff. We get the hat removed, but the Colbert Report ends. Such is life.

 

[Next Big Thing]

So I guess this is a tradeoff. We get the hat removed, but the Colbert Report ends. Such is life.

Well, technically he'll still be on air. It remains to be seen how dumbed down he'll be though.