Rumor Is Indiana Jones Planning an Adventure to Disney's Animal Kingdom?

Mike S

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New = better. Sorry to bust the delusional bubble.
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What drugs are you on and are they available over the counter?

The old film/effects were comically bad 6 years ago, let alone today. The new ones are vast improvement.

And I get that the concept of Green may do nothing for the average rider, but as my 9 year old is medically restricted from Orange, having Green as an option is awesome.
For me the downgrade is in the preshow. I miss Lieutenant Dan, also the new one is like the whole room is CGI. The ride looks way better but it’s still meh to me.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
I like that Idea.
Seeing as we're both from the same neck of the woods I'll also add something I've wanted from this ride since it's first iteration: driving on ice. Not sure the ride system is even capable of such terror, but I'd love it if they could capture how a car handles (or doesn't) when it hits something like black ice (imagine that as your coming off the final speed test- there's a finale!)
There's a drifting vehicle patent (I believe Universal has it) that would work great to simulate this. I wanted to see it on Radiator Springs Racers but I doubt that the current ride track on any of Disney's slot car rides could be retrofitted for this. Just a guess.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
For ops yes, but for roi not so much.
Why do you say that? You're not building a new queue and other infrastructure related to the non-ride portion of the ride.

A new build may drive more people to the park but you're not solving the problem of an E-ticket that's underbuilt from a capacity standpoint. What's more logical is a D/E-ticket elsewhere in the park and improving FoP's capacity.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Why do you say that? You're not building a new queue and other infrastructure related to the non-ride portion of the ride.

A new build may drive more people to the park but you're not solving the problem of an E-ticket that's underbuilt from a capacity standpoint. What's more logical is a D/E-ticket elsewhere in the park and improving FoP's capacity.
More theatres aren't marketable. The gloves are coming off in Orlando for the next decade.

Ideally of course we would get additional capacity and a new headliner E ticket.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
More theatres aren't marketable. The gloves are coming off in Orlando for the next decade.

Ideally of course we would get additional capacity and a new headliner E ticket.
Not marketable can also be a good thing. It's why the new theater at Magic Kingdom was a very pleasant surprise announcement at D23. Something that takes 1000-2000 guests away for an hour spreads the crowds without creating lines at the "new thing".

Beyond "not marketable" there's a guest satisfaction concern as well. Flight of Passage is generally a very positive experience for people that get to experience it. The problem is, that number is limiting. If 29,709 people get into the park on any given day (last year's average) and Flight of Passage only accommodates 1200 per hour, people are getting shut out.

Adding capacity has been the cheaper alternative that Disney has taken in recent years. In fact, Animal Kingdom is the only park this decade to not have a capacity issue addressed that way (Dumbo, Soarin', Toy Story Mania).

Unfortunately, adding capacity to Flight of Passage doesn't seem to be as simple as Soarin'. I talked with @Tom about this and basically the best option is a new tunnel at the FP+ / Standby merge point that extends to the left, perpendicular to the current ramps that slant up or down. They could add a theater or two off of that tunnel but it would also create an exceptionally long exit corridor. Something like this
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marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Not marketable can also be a good thing. It's why the new theater at Magic Kingdom was a very pleasant surprise announcement at D23. Something that takes 1000-2000 guests away for an hour spreads the crowds without creating lines at the "new thing".

Beyond "not marketable" there's a guest satisfaction concern as well. Flight of Passage is generally a very positive experience for people that get to experience it. The problem is, that number is limiting. If 29,709 people get into the park on any given day (last year's average) and Flight of Passage only accommodates 1200 per hour, people are getting shut out.

Adding capacity has been the cheaper alternative that Disney has taken in recent years. In fact, Animal Kingdom is the only park this decade to not have a capacity issue addressed that way (Dumbo, Soarin', Toy Story Mania).

Unfortunately, adding capacity to Flight of Passage doesn't seem to be as simple as Soarin'. I talked with @Tom about this and basically the best option is a new tunnel at the FP+ / Standby merge point that extends to the left, perpendicular to the current ramps that slant up or down. They could add a theater or two off of that tunnel but it would also create an exceptionally long exit corridor. Something like this
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I'm all for increasing capacity where it's needed as well as new additions. But I believe for the medium term new builds and new experiences will have to prove their roi on paper. It'll also help when Passage can consistently run all four chambers simultaneously.

And when other building issues are fixed.
 
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WondersOfLife

Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
Also, you weren't born yet when the original UoE closed, so it's hard to take your opinion seriously.
I live and breathe WDW theme park history. There are certain rides and attractions that I think would have been amazing to experience based on all of my research. Mickey Mouse Revue, Adventures Thru Inner Space, Journey Into Imagination, 20,000 Leagues, Alien Encounter.......

...Universe of Energy?..... No. And I've never really heard any honest amazing reviews about it either, without it being clouded by "it was an original Epcot attraction. NOSTALGIA!" At least Ellen made the topic a bit more entertaining.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
I live and breathe WDW theme park history. There are certain rides and attractions that I think would have been amazing to experience based on all of my research. Mickey Mouse Revue, Adventures Thru Inner Space, Journey Into Imagination, 20,000 Leagues, Alien Encounter.......

...Universe of Energy?..... No. And I've never really heard any honest amazing reviews about it either, without it being clouded by "it was an original Epcot attraction. NOSTALGIA!" At least Ellen made the topic a bit more entertaining.

The addition of Ellen detracted from the attraction, IMHO. I've recently been listening to the audio from the original, and it's still relevant today, without any kind of IP, tie-in, celebrity appearance, etc. My visual memories of the original attraction are a bit sketchy, as the last time I rode it was 1991, but I do remember being awed by the entirety of it even then, in my late teens. And then when I first saw the Ellen-ized version, I thought it was a let down, in a big way.
 

WondersOfLife

Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
I'll give you one.

I'm afraid if you never actually experienced the finale in the 1980s you don't have much validity to call it either way.
As credible as I know you to be, Martin.. I really don't think I would have enjoyed it very much. Nor would many of the people in my generation. It seems like it is overrated today, looking back on the past. Much like Mr. Toad's Wild Ride, for instance... I rode it for the first time in Disneyland last year aaaand, honestly, Pooh was better. In my opinion. Not really sure what the big hubbub was about.

I feel the same way about Tiki Room and Carousel of Progress. They're trapped in a nostalgic bubble when really, honestly, they're just... Eh. Not that great anymore. Except to really die-hard Disney fan. Take anyone who doesn't know much about Disney outside of some movies. A normal person, if you will. And honestly, it just isn't that good when it comes down to it.

I feel like that's the same viewpoint the die-hard Disney fanatics feel about Energy, Living Seas, many old EPCOT attractions. When in reality, they were okay for their time. But really, that's all they were.

May the rotten fruits be thrown all over me. I'm guilty of this too, though, as for my childhood consists of all the attractions that replaced the attractions a majority of the people on these forums loved. So MY nostalgic bubble kicked in when things like Food Rocks closed. Ellen's Energy Adventure. The Wonders of Life pavilion. Literally my childhood favorites. I'm salty towards Soarin' as a result. But that doesn't mean it's not an improvement. Much like I'll be salty about Guardians taking over Energy, but I believe it'll be an improvement. Despite my childhood and MY nostalgic bubble literally disappearing. So now, attractions like Soarin', Frozen Ever After, and Guardians will be ANOTHER generation's "nostalgic bubble" one day.

I may not have been able to experience the (seemingly boring) original Epcot Center. But I'm sure if I had grown up with it, I would have enjoyed it... However, I don't think I would have enjoyed them in comparison to the attractions I got to know and love from all of my trips. You guys just have a connection with those attractions... And I cannot understand that connection for the same reason many of you wouldn't be able to understand my connection to EEA or the car stunt show at HS. Much like I won't be able to understand the next generation's obsession with Pandora and Star Wars Land. I'll think they're alright. But I'll always be flocking to my personal nostalgic bubble attractions more excitedly than the new ones.

Take it as it is.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
As credible as I know you to be, Martin.. I really don't think I would have enjoyed it very much. Nor would many of the people in my generation..
That's the point. It was state of the art for its time. It was amazing for its time.

If something comparable were created today using today's technology it would have the same impact for your - and my - generation.

I love Dinosaur, Forbidden Journey and Transformers too. To name a few. My recollection doesn't come from being stuck in the past. Just an appreciation for greatness. Though I'll be the first to admit you needed more than one brain cell and a will to fully enjoy the original UOE. Much like most of the park.
 
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bclane

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That's the point. It was state of the art for its time. It was amazing for its time.

If something comparable were created today using today's technology it would have the same impact for your - and my - generation.

I love Dinosaur, Forbidden Journey and Transformers too. To name a few.
I still remember the first time I rode UoE and when the ride vehicle started moving people just gasped in shock. The whole experience was really impressive and I looked forward to it and rode it every time I went to the park back in the 80s. I went less in the 90s but missed it when it was replaced. I also remember it being my grandmother’s favorite ride and having her brag about it to everyone because she was a lifelong Exxon employee. That was her ride and nobody dared speak a word against it. Lol!
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
I live and breathe WDW theme park history. There are certain rides and attractions that I think would have been amazing to experience based on all of my research. Mickey Mouse Revue, Adventures Thru Inner Space, Journey Into Imagination, 20,000 Leagues, Alien Encounter.......

...Universe of Energy?..... No. And I've never really heard any honest amazing reviews about it either, without it being clouded by "it was an original Epcot attraction. NOSTALGIA!" At least Ellen made the topic a bit more entertaining.

You aren't wrong. The bulk of it was an industrial film by Exxon. The theater itself was impressive, but the content was sorely lacking in the filmed segments.
 

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