Rumor Is Indiana Jones Planning an Adventure to Disney's Animal Kingdom?

[Capsin4]

The only way Indy works is because AK has places he’s been. That shallow application would make a lot of things fit, but not many would be good fits.

How well avatar fits will always be debated, but the Navi themselves are fictional animals. That they’re intelligent, have their own culture and come from a moon rich in flora and fauna make it a much better fit than beastly kingdom, and just about any other animal IP, would have ever been.

 

[Haymarket2008]

The only way Indy works is because AK has places he’s been. That shallow application would make a lot of things fit, but not many would be good fits.

How well avatar fits will always be debated, but the Navi themselves are fictional animals. That they’re intelligent, have their own culture and come from a moon rich in flora and fauna make it a much better fit than beastly kingdom, and just about any other animal IP, would have ever been.

This is precisely why I think Avatar fits wonderfully. Agreed.

 

[YasssYzmaYasss]

And, in some ways, Indy fits DHS more than Star Wars or Toy Story does. Look at the 1930's/40's aesthetic. That could fit beautifully. Gimme an radio playing Cole Porter, some old-school cars, and I'm all set.

Such a good point!! Imagining the *transition* between the entrance of Hollywood Studios to an Indy-themed land... it would be almost seamless. Feels like a no brainer.

 

[FigmentJedi]

How well avatar fits will always be debated, but the Navi themselves are fictional animals. That they’re intelligent, have their own culture and come from a moon rich in flora and fauna make it a much better fit than beastly kingdom, and just about any other animal IP, would have ever been.

So you're saying the numerous "animal/human hybrid" mythological creatures like centaurs, satyrs, harpies and whatnot that would have probably populated Beastly Kingdom alongside the dragons and unicorns and stuff aren't intelligent, don't have their own culture, and don't live in harmony with nature?

And that a single non-Disney-until-Disney-decided-to-buy-it movie about aliens is a better fit for Animal Kingdom then a land celebrating the mythological creatures that have populated our imaginations and stories for thousands of years?

 

[smile]

lot of rationalizing going on in here.

avatar was not sought after due to it's lovely fit...
it was sought because it was wrongly perceived as a hot ip to battle potter.

if anybody else in the world would have wanted it there would be folks justifying its insertion into dsp

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

I think Pandora fits because of the theme and because of the look of the land. The location of the land? (Another planet?)That does not fit.

 

[larryz]

I think Pandora fits because of the theme and because of the look of the land. The location of the land? (Another planet?)That does not fit.

Unless, of course, they're saying it fits because the Navi are...wait for it...animals!

 

[dennis-in-ct]

The only way Indy works is because AK has places he’s been. That shallow application would make a lot of things fit, but not many would be good fits.

How well avatar fits will always be debated, but the Navi themselves are fictional animals. That they’re intelligent, have their own culture and come from a moon rich in flora and fauna make it a much better fit than beastly kingdom, and just about any other animal IP, would have ever been.

The Navi have an intense connection with their surrounds. The common energy that flows through them also flows through the animals and nature. The theme of Animal Kingdom is our connection to animals and Nature. AVATAR is a perfect fit. The fantasy aspect of AVATAR fills the "imaginary" component of Animal Kingdom as Beastly Kingdom would have provided.

I love the religious *feel* of their connection to their surroundings and how their spirits continue in that "energy". I see no "debate". AVATAR fits perfectly.

I would like to see more of the AVATAR fantasy animals. The alternative biological designs are gorgeous and completely captures my imagination. I remember soon after the release of the movie, the Discovery Channel had a special on possible alternative animals based on the AVATAR animal designs. It was uber cool. If I remember correctly, the special effects house that worked on AVATAR also created the Discovery Channel special.

 

[smile]

The Navi have an intense connection with their surrounds. The common energy that flows through them also flows through the animals and nature. The theme of Animal Kingdom is our connection to animals and Nature. AVATAR is a perfect fit. The fantasy aspect of AVATAR fills the "imaginary" component of Animal Kingdom as Beastly Kingdom would have provided.

I love the religious *feel* to their connection to their surroundings and how their spirits continue in that "energy". I see no "debate". AVATAR fits perfectly.

their connection is not to earth, it's to a fictional distant moon permeated by a fictional supernatural entity...
in all actuality, it turns focus away from the one earth and its animals that we actually do have and can affect.

and the na'vi aren't animals any more than the native americans they were based on -
which then points you towards the animals of pandora? ... yeah those, the ones nobody really knows or cares about sans the banshees, which can be bought as pets


i question pandora's very existence and location, but i do admire the execution and feel it's an example of a land elevating the ip, which it had to

 

[dennis-in-ct]

their connection is not to earth, it's to a fictional distant moon permeated by a fictional supernatural entity...
in all actuality, it turns focus away from the one earth and its animals that we actually do have and can affect.

and the na'vi aren't animals any more than the native americans they were based on -
which then points you towards the animals of pandora? ... yeah those, the ones nobody really knows or cares about sans the banshees, which can be bought as pets


i question pandora's very existence and location, but i do admire the execution and feel it's an example of a land elevating the ip, which it had to

The connection to their nature and their surroundings is the same connection for our surrounds and nature. The point is *feeling* the connection to your surroundings, including animals - ANY animal be it a fantasy animal or a real "earth" animal. THAT is the theme of Animal Kingdom. You are missing the point if you cannot extend your empathy to the NAVI and their struggles for the CONSERVATION of their planet / way of life / connection to each other.

CONSERVATION is another keystone THEME for Animal Kingdom.

AVATAR's ideals and beliefs fit perfectly with Animal Kingdom. Now, whether you personally *like* the implementation of the land and attractions is another story.

I love it.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If you immediately feel you must explain why something fits, it probably doesn’t.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

If you immediately feel you must explain why something fits, it probably doesn’t.

Does that include producing a series of YouTube videos?

 

[FigmentForver96]

Those were closed years ago... From the point of view of the park for the last decade, Rat is net new, and GotG, as misplaced as it is, is replacing an attraction that hadn't drawn crowds in a long time.

Even with all these new rides the park still won't close to opening day capacity. There's a problem when you step back and not forward

 

[mikejs78]

Even with all these new rides the park still won't close to opening day capacity. There's a problem when you step back and not forward

So - comparing Epcot to it's peak I agree with you. But opening day?

Opening day Future World had SSE, Energy, World of Motion, Listen to the Land, Symbiosis, Kitchen Kaberet, and Magic Journeys. As far as attractions, World Showcase had El Rio, Wonders of China, American Adventure, Impressions de France, and O Canada.

So in World Showcase, they've taken nothing away, and added a boat ride (Maelstrom/Frozen), are adding the rat ride, and possibly something in the UK.

In future world, you have Space now (remember, Horizons wasn't there). Test Track was probably a capacity downgrade, and WoL and Seas didn't exist, and Imagination and Horizons were several months away from opening. You also now have Imagination, which wasn't there opening day, and Soarin probably has a higher capacity than Kitchen Kaberet. Now, Guardians I'm sure will be a downgrade capacity wise from the Energy traveling theaters, but given all the above, new capacity post announcements should be greater than opening day, albeit not as large as it's peak in the early 90s.

 

[WondersOfLife]

I think Pandora fits because of the theme and because of the look of the land. The location of the land? (Another planet?)That does not fit.

I disagree. It is never officially stated that the theme of Animal Kingdom has to be relevant to planet earth, right? So nature and animals from another planet/world would still be inside the theme of AK just as much as Beastly Kingdom would have been, in a sense.

 

[mikejs78]

I disagree. It is never officially stated that the theme of Animal Kingdom has to be relevant to planet earth, right? So nature and animals from another planet/world would still be inside the theme of AK just as much as Beastly Kingdom would have been, in a sense.

Exactly. Imagined animals were conceived as being part of AK in the beginning. Pandora completely fits the opening day dedication of the park:

"Welcome to a kingdom of animals... real, ancient and imagined: a kingdom ruled by lions, dinosaurs and dragons; a kingdom of balance, harmony and survival; a kingdom we enter to share in the wonder, gaze at the beauty, thrill at the drama, and learn."
--Michael Eisner, AK opening day, April 22, 1998

 

[larryz]

Exactly. Imagined animals were conceived as being part of AK in the beginning. Pandora completely fits the opening day dedication of the park:

"Welcome to a kingdom of animals... real, ancient and imagined: a kingdom ruled by lions, dinosaurs and dragons; a kingdom of balance, harmony and survival; a kingdom we enter to share in the wonder, gaze at the beauty, thrill at the drama, and learn."
--Michael Eisner, AK opening day, April 22, 1998

Indiana Jones has good balance, sings in harmony, and survives all of this adventures. He's a perfect fit.

 

[mikejs78]

Indiana Jones has good balance, sings in harmony, and survives all of this adventures. He's a perfect fit.

 

[FigmentJedi]

I disagree. It is never officially stated that the theme of Animal Kingdom has to be relevant to planet earth, right? So nature and animals from another planet/world would still be inside the theme of AK just as much as Beastly Kingdom would have been, in a sense.

But it is only here on Earth that water and light come together to create life.

 

[smile]

The connection to their nature and their surroundings is the same connection for our surrounds and nature. The point is *feeling* the connection to your surroundings, including animals - ANY animal be it a fantasy animal or a real "earth" animal. THAT is the theme of Animal Kingdom. You are missing the point if you cannot extend your empathy to the NAVI and their struggles for the CONSERVATION of their planet / way of life / connection to each other.

CONSERVATION is another keystone THEME for Animal Kingdom.

AVATAR's ideals and beliefs fit perfectly with Animal Kingdom. Now, whether you personally *like* the implementation of the land and attractions is another story.

I love it.

firstly, i'm glad it brings you joy

i'm about to get far too serious here, but...

not the same connection - there's a conscious entity throughout pandora called eywa which makes the connection parallel suspect from the get-go

it's also superfluous to feel a connection to fictional animals while being surrounded by actual animals coexisting in the one reality we have...
would also be more beneficial to the cause spending time with and examining real peoples living with us that have a 'similar' connection to and perspective of our actual world.
we don't need fake blue people in an imaginary world to help us appreciate the world right in front of our faces - that is, unless they were somehow involved with highest grossing movie of all time, of course