bwr827
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If this report had bad numbers, the gang here would be trumpeting it all over.Which doesn't change they admitted lower attendance from Q3 2023-Q1 2024.
But since it doesn’t, let’s ignore it.
If this report had bad numbers, the gang here would be trumpeting it all over.Which doesn't change they admitted lower attendance from Q3 2023-Q1 2024.
DeLorean goal posts just hit 88 MPH.Go back to 2018 and then we can talk. MK is down more than 3 million since then.
Insight and critical thinking are key skills to have. If you’re not willing to look at the whole picture, don’t try to interject your “thoughts” into the discussion.DeLorean goal posts just hit 88 MPH.
Bob’s strategy is working. Squeeze more from those they can convince to come. Look at the shiny new thing! It’s worth paying more for!!That burning sensation means the marketing strategy is working. 3M x PCGS = a whole bunch of missed opportunity
Lol. I’m responding based on the countless comments here about how bad 2023’s numbers were.Insight and critical thinking are key skills to have. If you’re not willing to look at the whole picture, don’t try to interject your “thoughts” into the discussion.
Which doesn't change they admitted lower attendance from Q3 2023-Q1 2024.
2023 was bad, because the field is not 10 yards long. You think a 3.4% increase for your top park while two declined and the other had a 1-year bump is something to hang a hat on when attendance is still millions lower than it was in 2018? There is nothing opening anytime soon to draw people away from that minor little thing opening up the street next year. I guess the multitude of hotel rooms closed off and 18 months of deals (and counting) is a sign things are just peachy in the swamps. Carry on.Lol. I’m responding based on the countless comments here about how bad 2023’s numbers were.
And the accompanying conspiratorial remarks that those atrocious ‘23 estimates are why this report was not available.
Never said anything is peachy. Just surprised to see generally positive numbers when the discourse here is shades of “disaster”.2023 was bad, because the field is not 10 yards long. You think a 3.4% increase for your top park while two declined and the other had a 1-year bump is something to hang a hat on when attendance is still millions lower than it was in 2018? There is nothing opening anytime soon to draw people away from that minor little thing opening up the street next year. I guess the multitude of hotel rooms closed off and 18 months of deals (and counting) is a sign things are just peachy in the swamps. Carry on.
I have read before that in theory this is only the park of first admission. However as Disney does not release those numbers I'm not sure how TEA would figure that piece of the puzzle out and would be able to factor it into the numbers on their report.
We are big park hoppers, typically no less than three parks a day such as my example. I've often wondered if we've increased the attendance for three parks rather than just one, and outside of Disney internals I don't know how a third party would be able to tell I'm the same guest that checked into three parks in one day.
Given that, if park hopping is not accounted for the actual amount of people on property could be substantially less than reported.
Well…pretty much all of the undeveloped land north of Big Thunder and south of the canal is marginally unsuitable. Most of this land will be used as gravel laydown yards for the Cars/Villains project. I think they may develop the land north of Haunted Mansion and south of the canal for part of a Villains dark ride show building.*Marginally suitable
You think a 3.4% increase ...
Given that, if park hopping is not accounted for the actual amount of people on property could be substantially less than reported.
I’m not sure if TWDC has said as such, but do they even want Magic Kingdom to reach that high of a number? The existence of the hotel rooms obviously puts a kink in things, but those years of attendance did make MK truly miserable.2023 was bad, because the field is not 10 yards long. You think a 3.4% increase for your top park while two declined and the other had a 1-year bump is something to hang a hat on when attendance is still millions lower than it was in 2018? There is nothing opening anytime soon to draw people away from that minor little thing opening up the street next year. I guess the multitude of hotel rooms closed off and 18 months of deals (and counting) is a sign things are just peachy in the swamps. Carry on.
In order….Well…pretty much all of the undeveloped land north of Big Thunder and south of the canal is marginally unsuitable. Most of this land will be used as gravel laydown yards for the Cars/Villains project. I think they may develop the land north of Haunted Mansion and south of the canal for part of a Villains dark ride show building.
North of the canal and Haunted Mansion there’s quite a bit of marginally suitable land but I imagine they wouldn’t want to develop land so close to the fireworks launch site.
West of Big Thunder there’s also quite a bit of marginally suitable land but I imagine developing that land comes with its own problems. It would also create a rather long dead end, unless they connected it with the rumored Adventureland expansion. This area is also being used as a gravel laydown yard for the Cars/Villains project, which suggests to me that they are killing two birds with one stone. Expanding the park using land that will be faster and easier to develop while in the meantime preparing the land west of Big Thunder and Tiana’s for a future expansion that will connect to Adventureland, thus avoiding a massive dead end.
To be clear, are you referring to the area directly north of Under the Sea? It does appear that area is also marked marginally unsuitable. And being so close to fireworks launch site, I imagine it’s an expansion space that doesn’t rank very high on the priority list.Between MK Drive and the canal is (it was the proposed mid 90s Villains Land area)
West of Splash / BTM is an expansion area. Same as east of Storybook land (Or it was until they built a pond on it).
They’re using the expansion space west of Splash/Big Thunder as the gravel laydown yard for the Cars/Villains project, which will help in turning it from marginally suitable to suitable. I’d imagine they don’t want to proceed with this expansion though until they have plans in place to develop the “plot south west of the PotC Show building” so they can create a loop going from Adventureland to Frontierland and avoid a dead end situation with the expansion west of Big Thunder.There’s also the plot south west of the PotC Show building (late 90s Fire Mountain area)
Yes. It’s far enough away to not be a consideration for the launch site although it would be a show building at the rear kind of design. The RR / canal would be the absolute northern limit though.To be clear, are you referring to the area directly north of Under the Sea? It does appear that area is also marked marginally unsuitable. And being so close to fireworks launch site, I imagine it’s an expansion space that doesn’t rank very high on the priority list.
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There are absolutely issues and they can't keep pulling the same song and dance as it is already catching up to them in many different areas but, attendance was never going to drop off a cliff the way many kept thinking. Turns out, it wasn't even down overall. That doesn't mean everything is all rosy and great and in no universe should they not pay attention to the trend of multiple flat/down quarters in a row.Bob’s strategy is working. Squeeze more from those they can convince to come. Look at the shiny new thing! It’s worth paying more for!!
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