Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

BrianLo

BrianLo

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I’m going to buy a small amount of DIS in the coming days. It’s looking like a great price to me, the travel sector has taken a firm beating.

(90% broad market ETF, but I play a little and probably shouldn’t)
 
GhostHost1000

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
BrianLo said:
I’m going to buy a small amount of DIS in the coming days. It’s looking like a great price to me, the travel sector has taken a firm beating.

(90% broad market ETF, but I play a little and probably shouldn’t)
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too many volatile things in the world right now and an election coming up... I can't predict where things will go so I'm still holding off
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
BrianLo said:
I’m going to buy a small amount of DIS in the coming days. It’s looking like a great price to me, the travel sector has taken a firm beating.

(90% broad market ETF, but I play a little and probably shouldn’t)
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It may very well be

But I have to caution: do you want me to find the posts of the absolute idiots that were on threads advising strangers to buy it at $160…then $150 in the summer of 2021??

Cautionary tale from those that dust too much 🫢
 
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Lilofan

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
I’m 9 days out from the Alaska gig…

On an 8 year old ship that blows anything Disney has floated out of the water…by a lot

And half the price

Numbers are hard to dispute…though we do a bang up job of being dumb around here, don’t we? 😎
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Couldn't get us to go cruising in non tropical climates like Alaska at even 1/2 the price. It is for some but not for all.
 
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Lilofan

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TrainsOfDisney said:
I disagree 100%

I’ve started doing cruises more - the value is so much better than Disney Parks, Vegas, NYC, etc. I think many people are tired of all the hoops you have to jump through.
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Even easier for locals to drive to the port same day and board. Many still have to fly in the day prior before overnight in a hotel then get transported to the port day of sailing.
 
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jpeden

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In the Parks
No
This little graph says a lot:

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52 week low was $78.73 in October 2023 - lowest price in the last five years. To think about it, the stock wasn't even that low when EVERY PARK was closed around the world due to COVID-19. The COVID low was $79.07.
 
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Lilofan

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jpeden said:
This little graph says a lot:

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52 week low was $78.73 in October 2023 - lowest price in the last five years. To think about it, the stock wasn't even that low when EVERY PARK was closed around the world due to COVID-19. The COVID low was $79.07.
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Disney stock and other company stocks related to vaccines took off like an upwards rocket during Covid.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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LSLS said:
So it's been broken today, now the question is if it stays there.
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We have stock amnesia here…

The consistent trend has been DOWNWARD for 3 years…consistently

In the wash, they have gained no value in the greatest investment expansion in world history…by far…over 10+ years

Those are hard numbers…you can make decisions off them…

…the stockholders have gotten a rather measly dividend.
 
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jpeden

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In the Parks
No
Lilofan said:
Disney stock and other company stocks related to vaccines took off like an upwards rocket during Covid.
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Correct - but when you're an entertainment company and two of your major revenue streams are on lockdown (parks and movies) there is no reason your stock price should be HIGHER (by a large percent if you look at the historical data) than it is in 2024. I'd expect stocks in Phizer, etc. to be down, but Disney shouldn't be trading for less than it was during the pandemic. Airline stocks certainly aren't (for example - Delta's COVID low was $17.81 and it's currently trading at $37.49).
 
BrianLo

BrianLo

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
It may very well be

But I have to caution: do you want me to find the posts of the absolute idiots that were on threads advising strangers to buy it at $160…then $150 in the summer of 2021??

Cautionary tale from those that dust too much 🫢
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50% clearance sale. We're closing in. :D

Those prices then were absurd. No argument from me (and none I suspect you'll find from me then either). I believe I was complaining it was stupid the stock price was so high with the parks and theatres closed.

The trouble is the Corporate vultures may be back soon enough, too.
 
wannabeBelle

wannabeBelle

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Grimley1968 said:
My Windows random wallpaper the other day was of a mountain/valley scene in Norway, with possibly a fjord in the distant background. It made me want to go to either the (I'm sure culturally sanitized) Norway pavilion in EPCOT or book a cruise to actual Norway. The cruise would probably be simpler!
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The Cruise is simpler honestly. But in addition the Norway Pavilion is no where near as beautiful as the actual country. The scenery is breathtaking and the people are awesome!!! Of course I will have a greater appreciation for the Pavilion when I do go back. Marie
 
Grimley1968

Grimley1968

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wannabeBelle said:
The Cruise is simpler honestly. But in addition the Norway Pavilion is no where near as beautiful as the actual country. The scenery is breathtaking and the people are awesome!!! Of course I will have a greater appreciation for the Pavilion when I do go back. Marie
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I always laughed when we exited the Norway or Frozen ride and walked through the gift shop where they're selling the cold weather gear, and it's almost never less than 90 degrees with equivalent humidity. Yet that stuff still seemed to sell even in those conditions.
 
Minnesota disney fan

Minnesota disney fan

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Weather_Lady said:
They're both expensive, but we've switched over to Universal exclusively (as opposed to splitting Orlando vacations between WDW and Universal) solely because of how disproportionately complicated, costly, uncertain, and generally miserable Disney has made the touring/queuing experience.

At Universal, we have the choice between waiting in fairly reasonable, or at least predictable, standby lines (so long as we don't visit during major holiday or vacation periods), or else enjoying fast Express Pass lines at every single attraction save one (included for the whole family when we stay at a premium hotel at passholder rates, with seasonal annual passes that cost only slightly more than a 4-day ticket). Either way we do it, with minimal planning and a reasonable amount of park knowledge, at Universal we can enjoy a relaxing day with some room for spontaneity, and no need to engage in any up-charges or pound my phone all day instead of having fun. (*Hopefully, this won't change overmuch when Epic Universe opens, and I won't have to rescind this assessment!)

At WDW, we face the Sophie's Choice of accepting unreasonably long and unpredictable standby lines, or paying tons more to gamble on the possibility of having a few shorter waits at a handful of attractions, none of which are guaranteed to be available in the first place, and only if we arrive during set time windows that may or may not be convenient for us, or spend hours on the app, trying to continually modify and upgrade our reservations so that they don't disrupt our day more than they're improving it.

I realize that Universal's roster of attractions isn't as appealing to some, and that it doesn't have the nostalgia factor that WDW does, but for us, we enjoy the Universal touring experience enough that we're willing to pay the price for it (which, after the purchase of seasonal annual passes and discounted premium hotel stays, comes out to 20% less than the rough Disney equivalent of 5-day parkhoppers and discounted DVC stays with rented points). WDW doesn't even enter into our vacation discussions anymore -- which is sad, because the vast majority of our family vacations there -- up until the last couple -- were among our happiest memories! Obviously, our experience and opinions are subjective, and I'll be the first one to admit that our priorities have always skewed toward how many good rides we can enjoy with the shortest wait, rather than on shows, dining, or other bigger-picture factors, but we feel like Universal is still offering a product that's worth investing in.
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We feel the same way and have switched for the past few years to Universal. It is a refreshing change to show up when you want to and just enjoy the day. No rushing to pre arranged rides that you pay for. Everything is under the cost of entrance to Universal. It is not cheap, not at all. The tickets are expensive and the premium resorts are expensive too. However, the options of their cheaper resorts are wonderful and on par with the moderates at WDW, IMO. I love the shows at Universal, the many shops which have different merchandise in each unique area. We feel that we get more than what we pay for at Universal. We don't feel the same at WDW anymore. We stay at premium resorts for the express pass and have not regretted it. Again, the cost equals what you get for it. Just like you, we were WDW fanatics with at least yearly visits with kids/grandkids and just the 2 of us. That has all changed since WDW has changed, and we have not regretted switching to Universal. We find plenty to do and are staying over 5 days in November. I hope that's enough but so far we have not seen nor done everything at Universal. I really hope disney sees the light and goes back to actually making their guests (er, customers) feel wanted and to Not nickle and diming everything. They need to go back to quality but all of this has been said over and over again. I don't hate disney. I have a lot of nostalgia for disney, but have moved on to what I feel is better ROI on investment and on entertainment value.
 

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