Don't you agree high prices, medocre (poor) quality combined with simplified (and standardized) menus are also a factor?
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Nubs70
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Money that would go to food now goes for increased admission cost and Genie+ and LL.
Tha Realest
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Probably! And a lot more likely than “no one eats when it’s hot outside.” I’ve often said that Disney is likely cannibalizing its revenue streams with various things like G+ and price increases.
seabreezept813
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Seeing lots of articles pop up about low wait times. It’s either unusually uncrowded or the bloggers have run out of cupcakes to try.
JoeCamel
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If I were TDO I would be messaging that.......
I wonder how crowded the Celebration hive is these days?
crispy
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I think you meant these fickle, heat sensitive, fasting Taylor Swift fans.
bwr827
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Last trip, we hit Space 220 and Homecomin’, and otherwise did quick service.
This December, we budgeted no table service at all — to manage our numbers.
When one are is lacking in revenue others areas gain from it by execs thinking out of box to get increased quarterly revenue to impress Wall Street. Disney isn't the only player in this game. Its called quarterly capitalism.
Any sign of current and future layoffs? Nothing but crickets...
Nubs70
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WDW has simply overpriced their product.
Yes prices are high like most of reality and Disney will be fine. Looking forward to go after Labor Day.
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GhostHost1000
Premium Member
Prices have gone up
Quality has gone down
Guests who visit frequently and many times over many years have noticed this to most and are usually the most outspoken.
I’d much rather be talking about how good something is, has become, or they built, but it’s rare now adays sadly
JD80
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For the majority of people I'd assume that the reason people aren't going:
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A Tier: #3 #4
B Tier: #5 #6
C Tier: #7
D Tier: #8
Generally, I think Heat influences when people go and not if they go. This goes to the whole taking kids out of school thing. Previously many families were only able to go in the summers, now they are allowing themselves to go in other times of the year.
- Cost
- Nothing new or enticing
- Nickle and Diming from the last trip was a turnoff.
- Last time we went it was too crowded
- I've gone in the last 1-3 years and I'll again in 1-3 years. (cooldown effect?)
- Heat
- Wait until Epic Universe
- Pandemic altering how people do vacations
S Tier: #1 #2
A Tier: #3 #4
B Tier: #5 #6
C Tier: #7
D Tier: #8
Generally, I think Heat influences when people go and not if they go. This goes to the whole taking kids out of school thing. Previously many families were only able to go in the summers, now they are allowing themselves to go in other times of the year.
lentesta
Premium Member
Lightning Lane usage is significantly lower since the DAS change, so standby guests are getting more ride capacity.
We’ve seen 30-50% lower, and would not be surprised at higher numbers.
JD80
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So if we are seeing a LL reduction and standby getting more capacity that in turn reduces the standby wait times correct?
If that is the case, is comparing wait times of today vs. any other time previous to the DAS change irrelevant?
Bonus consideration question: How does the DAS change effect crowd calendar calculations?
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
Removal of magical express, diminishing quality in places (food, ride maintenance, etc), G+ LL, ILL, Virtual Queues all making a day at Disney a lottery game on your phone vs a stress free vacation, some unpopular decisions being made in the parks or within the company as a whole, etc etc
TrainsOfDisney
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For me, the product is not overpriced -
It’s the loss of value.
30-50% lower at the same crowd levels or compared to spring when the parks were more crowded?
TheMaxRebo
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And Disney did a lot to push people away from the crowded summer months and people went with that, seeing the enjoyment of going in cooler times and enjoying the holiday parties and different Epcot festivals. And we see the peak weeks are still really crowded (Thanksgiving, Spring Break, etc)
Plus I think people are more comfortable taking their kids out of school now after dealing with hybrid learning, etc
So you have crowds down in total for sure but also more if that aggregate going at different times of the year o summer is seeing that impact to a greater degree
TheMaxRebo
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Definitely - most people can't just keep increasing their budget so have to take from one area to cover cost of another. I know we do a lot less table service meals than we used to and cost (of them, but also for other things) is definitely a factor
JD80
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For anything to have a non marginal impact on whether or not a family is going to book a WDW trip, Magical Express isn't going to prevent them from going on it's own.
Now if you want to add that to the cumulative effect of people not finding value staying on property? Absolutely, that's a part of it. I'd stick that under cost on my list. However, that may drive hotel occupancy down but not necessarily park attendance since it may drive people to staying off property but still going.
If we see trends in overall Universal attendance across their soon to be 3 parks over years, then it's something you can measure as a trend. To truly measure the impact of these things (which I believe we're seeing the start of it) you have to measure occupancy across a longer period of time that would see a family coming back for a next trip after experiencing these losses. I hope that is clear.
As far as all the difficulty of going to the parks, that's always been a thing. It's definitely increased though which is why you are seeing changes. We'll see what happens over the next year or two.
As far as unpopular decisions made in the parks? That's a Disney Fandom thing. I think any effect on park attendance would be marginal at best, same with "decisions being made .. within the company as a whole". These two things I would put in F Tier.