Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

[JD80]

In your subjective opinion, which is the defining point here.

I disagree that there are 10 that are pretty high quality for "quick service" type of food, especially since essentially every single QS option at Disney Springs is better than similar QS offerings in the parks. The Disney Springs QS options are honestly better than most of the in park TS meals, too.

Again, it's fine if you feel otherwise, but that's just your personal opinion. It's not an objective truth. The Disney QS is generally better than what's offered at other parks like Universal, so they're ahead of the curve there, but it's not exactly a good value in terms of general dining.

What are the last 5 QS restaurants that you've been to in the parks that aren't EPCOT food booths and when? I think context is important.

Obviously opinion is subjective, but these restaurants are generally praised so it's not so much a outlier opinion much like yours. And of course Disney Springs has better QS options overall, it's a dining and shopping district.

 

[JD80]

Canteen is the only one I’d say is better…

I'd say Flame Tree BBQ or Regal Eagle is on par or better than something like Mission BBQ or Famous Dave's (which is a sit down restaurant).

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

People who are doing Europe are often using miles / points for the flights.

Miles and points still count though, it’s more miles and points to go to Europe vs. domestic.

We were able to find R/T coach fares for less than $1000 each from California—it also costs us 300-450 R/T to MCO, so the Europe flights seem relatively cheap

that’s still around double the flights to mco though.

I’m looking at a trip to Europe soon, really want to see Disneyland Paris and ride the steam trains in England - but I don’t see how it’s significantly cheaper than WDW.

 

[wannabeBelle]

where is the cheesecake factory. im coming from the UK and have seen 1 at the florida mall (i believe). is there 1 closer to disney springs

The one that I went to was at 11602 Regency Village Drive, Orlando Fl 32821. Marie

 

[Ayla]

Yeah, I kept hearing how it’s cheaper to go to Europe and I’m like 1) where are you flying from, 2) how much do you usually spend at WDW, and 3) is there a DVc rental market in Rome and Florence?

We are flying from MKE to Switzerland in August for $800 per person round trip, on Delta.

 

[Lilofan]

where is the cheesecake factory. im coming from the UK and have seen 1 at the florida mall (i believe). is there 1 closer to disney springs

The upscale Mall of Millennia in Orlando has a location.

 

[Tha Realest]

We are flying from MKE to Switzerland in August for $800 per person round trip, on Delta.

I appreciate all these data points, especially since these posts about luxurious destinations are interspersed with stuff like Cheesecake Factory and Famous Dave’s.

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

The Europe vs Disney comparison is rarely apples to apples in my opinion. Are the European vacations including admission into some sort of premium entertainment venue daily, or is a Disney trip being compared to a trip that is much heavier on sightseeing and exploring which often times doesn’t require admission or is much less expensive? Is it onsite in the bubble meals vs eating ‘offsite’ (anywhere) for the European vacation?

 

[Jrb1979]

The Europe vs Disney comparison is rarely apples to apples in my opinion. Are the European vacations including admission into some sort of premium entertainment venue daily, or is a Disney trip being compared to a trip that is much heavier on sightseeing and exploring which often times doesn’t require admission or is much less expensive? Is it onsite in the bubble meals vs eating ‘offsite’ (anywhere) for the European vacation?

Agreed. IMO you can't compare the 2. To me Disney is an upgraded Cedar Point long weekend. It's a middle class theme park not a luxury vacation for whales.

 

[el_super]

Agreed. IMO you can't compare the 2. To me Disney is an upgraded Cedar Point long weekend. It's a middle class theme park not a luxury vacation for whales.

Quality and Luxury are both subjective. What's driving the price at Disney is the demand and as long as the demand is high and the supply is low, the prices will continue to rise.

 

[Tha Realest]

Quality and Luxury are both subjective. What's driving the price at Disney is the demand and as long as the demand is high and the supply is low, the prices will continue to rise.

Or, demand is low and they’re raising prices to extract as much as they can from those who still insist on going.

 

[el_super]

Or, demand is low and they’re raising prices to extract as much as they can from those who still insist on going.

Which is fine too. They've needed to curb demand for a long time due to complaints of crowded parks.

 

[Jrb1979]

Which is fine too. They've needed to curb demand for a long time due to complaints of crowded parks.

That's not how parks run. Parks need crowds to run.

 

[Lilofan]

That's not how parks run. Parks need crowds to run.

Iger who has the full support of the Board would beg to differ. If you follow along one can see his way of running parks.

 

[Lilofan]

That's my original point, there is no way Disney should compared to luxury vacations.

That's an assumption. Not ALL who go to Europe go on luxury vacations such as our family.

 

[el_super]

That's not how parks run. Parks need crowds to run.

So your theory is that Disney should generally ignore complains about overcrowding and go for a straight volume business like a regional operator?

 

[Lilofan]

So your theory is that Disney should generally ignore complains about overcrowding and go for a straight volume business like a regional operator?

Regional operators that closes a few months every year. Those staff need to get another gig to pay their bills.

 

[Jrb1979]

So your theory is that Disney should generally ignore complains about overcrowding and go for a straight volume business like a regional operator?

Add more capacity and it wouldn't be a problem. Give guests something to do. Add back more parades, Streetmosphere and shows and crowding would less an issue.

Regional operators that closes a few months every year. Those staff need to get another gig to pay their bills.

What's that got to do with any of this?

 

[Lilofan]

Add more capacity and it wouldn't be a problem. Give guests something to do. Add back more parades, Streetmosphere and shows and crowding would less an issue.

What's that got to do with any of this?

Parades and streetsmosphere are not revenue breakers. Thousands stake their spot prior to Showtime not spending money.

 

[Jrb1979]

Parades and streetsmosphere are not revenue breakers. Thousands stake their spot prior to Showtime not spending money.

Yes but at the same time it disperses crowds instead of guests wandering the walkways waiting for their next return time