Is attendance really down at WDW this or…

[Ayla]

Yeah, I kept hearing how it’s cheaper to go to Europe and I’m like 1) where are you flying from, 2) how much do you usually spend at WDW, and 3) is there a DVc rental market in Rome and Florence?

We are flying from MKE to Switzerland in August for $800 per person round trip, on Delta.

 

[Lilofan]

where is the cheesecake factory. im coming from the UK and have seen 1 at the florida mall (i believe). is there 1 closer to disney springs

The upscale Mall of Millennia in Orlando has a location.

 

[Tha Realest]

We are flying from MKE to Switzerland in August for $800 per person round trip, on Delta.

I appreciate all these data points, especially since these posts about luxurious destinations are interspersed with stuff like Cheesecake Factory and Famous Dave’s.

 

[ConfettiCupcake]

The Europe vs Disney comparison is rarely apples to apples in my opinion. Are the European vacations including admission into some sort of premium entertainment venue daily, or is a Disney trip being compared to a trip that is much heavier on sightseeing and exploring which often times doesn’t require admission or is much less expensive? Is it onsite in the bubble meals vs eating ‘offsite’ (anywhere) for the European vacation?

 

[Jrb1979]

The Europe vs Disney comparison is rarely apples to apples in my opinion. Are the European vacations including admission into some sort of premium entertainment venue daily, or is a Disney trip being compared to a trip that is much heavier on sightseeing and exploring which often times doesn’t require admission or is much less expensive? Is it onsite in the bubble meals vs eating ‘offsite’ (anywhere) for the European vacation?

Agreed. IMO you can't compare the 2. To me Disney is an upgraded Cedar Point long weekend. It's a middle class theme park not a luxury vacation for whales.

 

[el_super]

Agreed. IMO you can't compare the 2. To me Disney is an upgraded Cedar Point long weekend. It's a middle class theme park not a luxury vacation for whales.

Quality and Luxury are both subjective. What's driving the price at Disney is the demand and as long as the demand is high and the supply is low, the prices will continue to rise.

 

[Tha Realest]

Quality and Luxury are both subjective. What's driving the price at Disney is the demand and as long as the demand is high and the supply is low, the prices will continue to rise.

Or, demand is low and they’re raising prices to extract as much as they can from those who still insist on going.

 

[el_super]

Or, demand is low and they’re raising prices to extract as much as they can from those who still insist on going.

Which is fine too. They've needed to curb demand for a long time due to complaints of crowded parks.

 

[Jrb1979]

Which is fine too. They've needed to curb demand for a long time due to complaints of crowded parks.

That's not how parks run. Parks need crowds to run.

 

[Lilofan]

That's not how parks run. Parks need crowds to run.

Iger who has the full support of the Board would beg to differ. If you follow along one can see his way of running parks.

 

[Lilofan]

That's my original point, there is no way Disney should compared to luxury vacations.

That's an assumption. Not ALL who go to Europe go on luxury vacations such as our family.

 

[el_super]

That's not how parks run. Parks need crowds to run.

So your theory is that Disney should generally ignore complains about overcrowding and go for a straight volume business like a regional operator?

 

[Lilofan]

So your theory is that Disney should generally ignore complains about overcrowding and go for a straight volume business like a regional operator?

Regional operators that closes a few months every year. Those staff need to get another gig to pay their bills.

 

[Jrb1979]

So your theory is that Disney should generally ignore complains about overcrowding and go for a straight volume business like a regional operator?

Add more capacity and it wouldn't be a problem. Give guests something to do. Add back more parades, Streetmosphere and shows and crowding would less an issue.

Regional operators that closes a few months every year. Those staff need to get another gig to pay their bills.

What's that got to do with any of this?

 

[Lilofan]

Add more capacity and it wouldn't be a problem. Give guests something to do. Add back more parades, Streetmosphere and shows and crowding would less an issue.

What's that got to do with any of this?

Parades and streetsmosphere are not revenue breakers. Thousands stake their spot prior to Showtime not spending money.

 

[Jrb1979]

Parades and streetsmosphere are not revenue breakers. Thousands stake their spot prior to Showtime not spending money.

Yes but at the same time it disperses crowds instead of guests wandering the walkways waiting for their next return time

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Next time we are down there together, remind me to drag you offsite to some good options. Not pizza though, I havent found a good place for that....yet. Marie

Pizza doesn’t exist in Florida

Now conch chowder and incessant tax griping by retirees? That’s in ample supply

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yeah, I kept hearing how it’s cheaper to go to Europe and I’m like 1) where are you flying from, 2) how much do you usually spend at WDW, and 3) is there a DVc rental market in Rome and Florence?

…spoken like an Orlando resident

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The Dollar vs the Euro is not that far off from what it was from 2015-2020. .85-.91 vs .93 (now). The dollar does not have the same strength against the Euro, as compared to something like the Japanese Yen, which is so weak it's like everything is a 30% discount.

I realized this while planning a Japan trip and it was a sweet day

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

This is the same conversation with the same people. Here are all the facts we settled on last time.

• Some areas of the country are more expensive than others.
• Within each area of the country there are cheap and there are more expensive places to buy food.
• WDW is on par, roughly, with some of the more expensive places to live. This is more than just "here in NYC".
• When you travel to any resort, you are typically restricted to the options provided to you at that resort and there is a built in expectation of cost.
• However, being in WDW does not restrict you from having food delivered to you with a reduced cost.

Any article describing how expensive WDW food is without the context of the broader economy is worthless.

Food tastes are also highly subjective. That is part of the challenge of talking about WDW food.

Yesterday I got a $10 jumbo burrito (the regular size one is only $6.50) at locally owned place and the quality blows the socks off any similar Mexican food at WDW.

For me, what I find frustrating is the lack of produce at WDW. Even when we eat TS, there is often a lack of vegetables. Menus often list a veggie, but what arrives is merely a tiny garnish. When I pay extra for a side vegetable, the thing that arrives is often terrible quality to the point of being nearly inedible. A good deal of the WDW produce just isn't poor quality and/or not at all fresh. Like their apples are just mealy and nasty. At WDW, I end up eating boring salads every day, and most are not that great.

In the last few days, I bought fresh local berries. Good luck finding berries of any kind at WDW. The Norway bakery used to have a dessert that was a basically a dark chocolate shell cup full of fresh blueberries and raspberries, but that was a long time ago.

Disney could do it, because they used to do it, but quality food costs money.

Then again, many people don't care about eating fruit or vegetables at all.