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Is attendance really down at WDW this or…
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Orlando sees hottest Fourth of July in 25 years: Here's how hot it got
No question about it - it was another hot and humid day in Central Florida. In fact, Orlando International Airport peaked at 96 degrees on Tuesday, marking the hottest Fourth of July in Orlando in the last 25 years, according to online weather data.
But yeah, 4th of July was just your typical hot day in the summer in Florida.
So, by your logic heat/weather can never have an impact? There are obviously many factors to the lower attendance as many who have brought up the heat have mentioned with the major one being pricing. But when there are news reports of extreme heat advisories and heat indexes into the 110s, then yes it can and will impact people going to the parks. Even those who booked months ago. Maybe they just decide to wait until the evening to wait out the sun and get a few hours in and watch the fireworks.
Angel Ariel
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NFL Sunday ticket moves to YouTube tv this year.
If the people were there to leave the parks early because of the heat, they would have been counted has attended.
They would still be counted in attendance. Of course weather plays a factor, but outside of Hurricane imminent to present. They are very temporary.
People reserve days and would be counted present with reservations. Attendance was down before the fourth's heat advisory. It's not substantial to mention. It was a low fourth of July attendance.
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TheMaxRebo
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But people weren't posting about reportered attendance they were reporting in how the crowds looked and what wait times were.... If people already left for the day they aren't in the photos of crowds and they aren't adding to wait times
ParentsOf4
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Prices were really high last year, yet WDW had a great 12 months.
I still think the number one reason was revenge vacations messing with the normal cycle of WDW vacations. There naturally will be a lull the year after.
But I do agree with you that prices are very important - probably number two.
During revenge vacations, people seemed willing to pay any price. Disney misread this as “normal” and stepped on the “gas pedal” even further when it came to prices.
Now, Disney has to figure out how to recover.
You would have seen the evening and morning crowds well attended before it reached the apparent heat where everyone gave up.
Heat advisories labeled oppressive heat or nothing new in Late July-August peak heat time
TheMaxRebo
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ok, obviously we aren't going to change each other's mind - you think heat/temp has no effect on the crowds, I think it has a small contributing effect
In any case, the folks here acting like people are saying or implying it is the driving factor for why crowds are down are getting really old and tiring - no one has said anything remotely close to that
TheMaxRebo
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I think that is a big thing - Disney pushed pricing (and removal of perks) as demand soared and now that it is waning people are really questioning if it is worth it or if they can better use those funds elsewhere (especially given everything in their daily life is seeing price increases too)
I recall a lot of people saying last year with, as an example, the return of the traditional holiday parties that they didn't care what they cost they missed them and were going to pay it to do them ... but now that they have done them, it is harder to pay the high prices again
If the news asked Bob Iger on television or in a network report why Fourth of July(one of the busiest time periods for tourism including theme parks) are down, and his main response was the heat and then a confusing lie. Yes, he won't convince many people that was the reason.
I don't hate the guy, I just know he is a liar so I don't have to respect him. Others have pointed out the lie within that interview alone.
TheMaxRebo
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of course he's a liar - he's a CEO talking to analysts and investors
Usually, they suck at it a little less. He blabbers on rubbish within two sentences that contradict himself. So you see, just because he says the fourth of july weekend was slow due to heat, and does not mention the other factors, does not mean we should just believe him. So it sounds like I do not need to change your mind here either.
TheMaxRebo
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The weather was specifically about July 4 ... He talked more about how with Florida reopening earlier than other locations people started traveling there and now that other places have reopened they are going elsewhere, which probably has some validity .... I think minimizing their own issues too - some is out of their control but some of it definitely is their own doing
seabreezept813
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I know several people who do this.. sign up for one a month watch the things they want, cancel and start a new one, rinse repeat.
JD80
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Go listen to len testas podcast from the 17th. He talks all about attendance especially on the 4th as he's the source on the WSJ article Iger is commenting on.
Please.
No one is saying heat is the main driver of atrendance.
Br0ckford
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No, no. No one implied it's due to the heat.....except when sweater implied it was due to heat.
My business gets very busy during summer and school.breaks. I speak with clients and ask where they are travelling to. (I'm not a TA).
In years past, it was lots of "We're going to Disney". This summer, not so much. More folks saying Universal. I spoke with a family on Thursday that are big Disney fans but were going to Universal instead. She said the Disney prices are just too high now.
Not saying USO is packed either, just have heard more clients saying Universal instead of Disney. None have mentioned heat or weather being a factor.
In years past, it was lots of "We're going to Disney". This summer, not so much. More folks saying Universal. I spoke with a family on Thursday that are big Disney fans but were going to Universal instead. She said the Disney prices are just too high now.
Not saying USO is packed either, just have heard more clients saying Universal instead of Disney. None have mentioned heat or weather being a factor.
Family and friends have better than FL weather conditions living in Southern CA. Some don't even have central AC in homes , just wall units in the bedrooms. Coming to FL on vacation between June-Sept is a huge humid heat in your face even late night. Sweater vest probably could not take the heat himself .