trainplane3
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As much as I hate Figzilla, I'd take him back just to get the point across that people like Figment and more should be done with the pavilion without kicking him out.
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EPCOT Inside Out to Replace Journey into Imagination with Figment?
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Figments Friend
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This photo perfectly represents the current state of the Pavillon and it's unfortunate issues.
It's true imaginative legacy sleeping dormant.....awaiting in silent slumber, until one day someone with vision and understanding awakens it to return it to it's once inheirent imaginative potential..
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FigmentsBrightIdeas
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Ehh.. I wouldn’t quite say that. He’s a male character through and through. Not sure where you’re getting your conclusion from. Infact I’d say the merchandise has done a good job at keeping his original charm and personality intact, including the recent Marvel origin story comic series. He’s supposed to be cute but relatable to all ages regardless of gender. Similar to the charm Pooh & Friends & Pinocchio have. He had the same father-son relationship with Dreamfinder as Pinocchio did with Gepetto for instance. He represents that childlike curiosity, innocence, and creativity within us all. But yeah.. either way, it’s a real unfortunate situation the Imagination pavilion is in.
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FigmentsBrightIdeas
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Not to mention, I don’t really see where any “feminine agenda” is being pushed in merchandise that you bring up. The characters are appealing, sweet, and innocent regardless of age and gender.
Of course you’re going to have merchandise that appeals to both genders... this applies to all the Disney characters. There are men’s & women’s clothing featuring them for instance. And some clothing is considered unisex. So I don’t really get where your argument comes from. But oh well. I agree with you though that they clearly butchered the ride in it’s current incarnation and that it’s a shame Disney is so narrow-minded & so against restoring it back to it’s original charm and vision for such shortsighted reasons.
Of course you’re going to have merchandise that appeals to both genders... this applies to all the Disney characters. There are men’s & women’s clothing featuring them for instance. And some clothing is considered unisex. So I don’t really get where your argument comes from. But oh well. I agree with you though that they clearly butchered the ride in it’s current incarnation and that it’s a shame Disney is so narrow-minded & so against restoring it back to it’s original charm and vision for such shortsighted reasons.
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FigmentsBrightIdeas
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Well the new Figment of course is portrayed as this obnoxious, know-it-all “interference” that makes a big stink to make a point to “captured and controlled” thinking Channing, that his “upside down” free-thinking way is the right way. Wouldn’t exactly call that “feminized” though. It’s just a complete reversal of the spirit & personality of the character.
The original Figment had a son to father relationship with Dreamfinder. He was sweet, innocent, and curious about the world around him while learning from Dreamfinder about the various creative mediums they explored together to unlock his true creative potential.
He’s a character that appeals to both genders regardless. Though I agree he’s clearly not being utilized properly in the ride these days and that he ought to be used in a larger variety of merchandise. I feel there’s too little these days compared to the golden years of Epcot. There ought to be more variety in hats, shirts, and sweatshirts featuring him for instance. But yeah. That’s pretty much my conclusion regarding this matter.
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AVAC Juice
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Thank you for your first post on your new account.
FigmentsBrightIdeas
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Judging by the direction things have been going lately. It seems so, sadly.
eddie104
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Bismuth
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Gosh, I hope this is speculation and not true anymore.
Beefing is p much never a good thing especially since it may lead to cherished beloved characters getting thrown out for no good reason. The guests and the guest experience are always the losers and the ones who get the short end of the stick bc of this
RoysCabin
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Dude, your posts have been really, really creepy. Please cut it out.
FigmentsBrightIdeas
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Agreed... I really don’t understand the weird anti-feminine/ anti-gay conclusion posts he’s making. It’s *really*, *really* bizarre or why he’s accusing me of having an “agenda” all because I made a reference to Pinocchio & Pooh, like that has anything to do with gender or sexuality. Hateful too. Not sure where he’s getting this nonsense about Figment merchandise pushing some kind agenda. Any gender and sexuality can enjoy a Disney character. Not to mention, there’s nothing wrong with showing representation in merchandise. People are people. There’s no need to be so discriminatory and hateful against others simply for being a different gender or having a different sexual orientation.
Figment’s supposed to represent the childlike curiosity, innocence, and creativity in *all* of us, regardless of our gender or sexual identity.
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eddie104
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People on this forum seem to be obsessed with identity politics but in the same breath accuse other people of doing same thing they are doing.
EPCOTCenterLover
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It’s all a higher level version of Tom Fitzgerald vs Tony Baxter. I’d choose Baxter’s attractions any day- even the “failures”.
Figments Friend
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So yeah.....
How about that Imagination Pavillion, huh...?
Who could have ever foreseen it would be talked about in this type of context come 2019.
Eleven years after the removal of the superior Original incarnation.
Eleven flippin' years of mediocre ' attempts' to try to capture a mere glimmer of what resided there prior to removal.
Back when the Pavilion, as a whole, functioned as a entire cohesive presentation ( JII ride, Image Works, Magic Journeys ).
Back when the Imagination Pavillion was, you know, actually 'imaginative'.
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How about that Imagination Pavillion, huh...?
Who could have ever foreseen it would be talked about in this type of context come 2019.
Eleven years after the removal of the superior Original incarnation.
Eleven flippin' years of mediocre ' attempts' to try to capture a mere glimmer of what resided there prior to removal.
Back when the Pavilion, as a whole, functioned as a entire cohesive presentation ( JII ride, Image Works, Magic Journeys ).
Back when the Imagination Pavillion was, you know, actually 'imaginative'.
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FigmentsBrightIdeas
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More than 11 years now i’m afraid. It’s now been 19 years sadly since that travesty of a ‘Honey, I Shrunk’ IP ride replaced the original 1983 masterpiece. The current, insulting, mean spirited 2002 band-aid fix version “with Figment” ‘s now lasted 17 years, 1 year longer than the original did in it’s 16 year run. So, SO depressing.
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Figments Friend
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That is indeed quite depressing.
Has it really been that long...?
My desire to erase the memory of that horrible ( yet thankfully brief ) period between 1999 and 2001 must be working since I can't recall the correct amount of years since the Original was desecrated.
My goodness.
A far more disturbing reality indeed.
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Has it really been that long...?
My desire to erase the memory of that horrible ( yet thankfully brief ) period between 1999 and 2001 must be working since I can't recall the correct amount of years since the Original was desecrated.
My goodness.
A far more disturbing reality indeed.
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HauntedMansionFLA
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Do you think there will be a surprise announcement regarding this pavilion at the D23? It seems like it’s the one area not getting any attention.
RoysCabin
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What kind of gets me the most is the feeling that we won't see that kind of seamlessly integrated pavilion experience again. When my family would go to WDW during my childhood my parents always knew that we could go to the Imagination pavilion and spend multiple hours in a place all of us could enjoy; the ride was genuinely fun for everyone, it ran a decent length of time, it was a constant loader so the line was rarely too arduous a wait, the Image Works allowed for a chance for kids to let off some steam and had some genuinely interesting tech for its time, and then heading right down to the Magic Eye theater was the capper on the experience.
In other words, you got a really great narrative (ride --> apply what the ride shows in the Image Works --> experience the ride's thesis in the movie theater), you got a place that appealed to almost everyone, and, at bare minimum, you could have over 2 hours in air conditioning during a humid central Florida day.
Almost none of that is being emphasized now. There's little to no integration between rides and some kind of follow-up experience, which defeats the idea of the pavilion setup; the emphasis we seem to get instead is to finish one ride, get a few minutes in the gift shop, then hurry to the next one. There's far less concern about crowd control: as we get fewer Omnimovers, lose the moving theater shows, etc., we're often getting lower capacity rides, instead, which in turn become shorter experiences once we actually board them.