EPCOT Inside Out to Replace Journey into Imagination with Figment?

Figments Friend

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What kind of gets me the most is the feeling that we won't see that kind of seamlessly integrated pavilion experience again. When my family would go to WDW during my childhood my parents always knew that we could go to the Imagination pavilion and spend multiple hours in a place all of us could enjoy; the ride was genuinely fun for everyone, it ran a decent length of time, it was a constant loader so the line was rarely too arduous a wait, the Image Works allowed for a chance for kids to let off some steam and had some genuinely interesting tech for its time, and then heading right down to the Magic Eye theater was the capper on the experience.

In other words, you got a really great narrative (ride --> apply what the ride shows in the Image Works --> experience the ride's thesis in the movie theater), you got a place that appealed to almost everyone, and, at bare minimum, you could have over 2 hours in air conditioning during a humid central Florida day.

Almost none of that is being emphasized now. There's little to no integration between rides and some kind of follow-up experience, which defeats the idea of the pavilion setup; the emphasis we seem to get instead is to finish one ride, get a few minutes in the gift shop, then hurry to the next one. There's far less concern about crowd control: as we get fewer Omnimovers, lose the moving theater shows, etc., we're often getting lower capacity rides, instead, which in turn become shorter experiences once we actually board them.

Agree completely.
You 'get it'.
:)

Part of the beauty of EPCOT Center back in the day was exactly what you have touched on .
Each Pavillion was a complete package where the theme or idea being presented was done so on multiple related levels.
Choose any Pavillion in Future World during the heydays and all offered several experiences that together equaled more then the sum of its parts.
Each experience built on what was also present in the same building...and one could indeed spend a hour or more inside exploring the exhibits and various offerings.
Guests would come out and feel they had a enjoyed a full offering of entertainment value, and in many cases also come away with their curiosity perked.
Others left downright inspired, and others still pursued learning more about the topics touched on.
The offerings left impressions, as well as moments of fun or awe.

Today, things are very different.

The Land from that time period (1982 - 1992 ) is a great example.
You had the boat ride giving Guests a very direct and live experience regarding the subject matter, and then a complimentary film touching on another aspect in a more relaxed setting.
Dining offered at the old 'Farmers Market' brought the message even more into focus, as you were now enjoying the 'harvest' of physical crops and future thinking ideas you had just previously experienced.
The seating areas inside the interior of the Pavillion with the sculptured fountain , ceiling murals, lighted table umbrellas, and drifting hot air balloons also 'told the story' of the cycles of the Earth.
Everything had been carefully thought out and designed in a way that each aspect complimented the other gracefully.
It was a entire 'package'.

Today, The Land is pretty much the last remnant of the 'old Pavillion experience' but it is a jumbled mess currently.
Fragmented offerings that are just remotely related to the topic.
The offerings don't compliment each other, and the consistentsy of the Pavilion's 'story' has been compromised and in some cases somewhat ignored.
Now we have a shopping mall styled food court, a flight simulator over 'the world', and the still present boat ride.
Disjointed, 'singular' experiences with a microfiber suggestion of being related to the topic strung together like unmatching beads on a necklace.
The message of how man can harness the Earths bounty and the responsibiltes that entails is pretty much lost now with the exception of the still present 'Living With The Land' Attraction.
One can still spend some time here, but now it's mostly for standing in line for 'Soarin' and not nessesarily enjoying the Pavillion as a 'whole cohesive package'.

The Imagination Pavillion suffers the same issues , but worse in many respects.
It is such a patchwork mismatched skeleton of what exsisted there prior.
Where once there was a beautifully designed flow through all the experiences offered, now it is reduced in scope to just one poorly executed ride experience and a quick exit through empty corridors and the remnants of a defunct photo service kiosk.
The upstairs exploratory play area that used to be housed there is gone and is now a underused space in it's current state, and the tacked on retail spot near the exit door is a afterthought to try to fill the gaping space of nothingness now there.
The entire Pavillion is a mess....and needs a serious redesign inside to remove the multiple walls and added corridors that are gumming up what was once a stunning entrance atrium and charmingly designed interior.

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TJJohn12

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What kind of gets me the most is the feeling that we won't see that kind of seamlessly integrated pavilion experience again. When my family would go to WDW during my childhood my parents always knew that we could go to the Imagination pavilion and spend multiple hours in a place all of us could enjoy... and then heading right down to the Magic Eye theater was the capper on the experience.

As a child, I was deathly afraid of Magic Journeys (during its MK run) and it's melange of coke-dream scenes. It was by no means something the whole family could enjoy. Magic Journeys was pure nightmare fuel of epic proportions.

The rest of the original pavilion? Well designed and integrated thematically. But Magic Journeys was... deeply unsettling.
 

Bocabear

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As a child, I was deathly afraid of Magic Journeys (during its MK run) and it's melange of coke-dream scenes. It was by no means something the whole family could enjoy. Magic Journeys was pure nightmare fuel of epic proportions.

The rest of the original pavilion? Well designed and integrated thematically. But Magic Journeys was... deeply unsettling.
to you perhaps...yes it was odd...but it was supposed to be, but "deeply unsettling" is a bit much...lol
It would be nice if they would develop a 4-D attraction about the origins of Dreamfinder and Figment... and then completely overhaul the ride back to the dream port but with current technology... a 2-part adventure...Add a beautiful meet and greet upstairs, a molecular gastronomy QS, and voila! a perfect complete pavilion...
 

Bismuth

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^^^Love that!!!
I remember the first time I watched Magic Journeys, I had heard the movie's theme song, heard Making Memories, and saw the Dreamfinder Run segment, I thought "aw this must be such a cute, whimsical movie about photography and life experiences!" I was wrong, definitely not what I was expecting LOL! That music tho!!
 

Clamman73

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And please watch the rest of the video for more amazeballs.

This was basically me back then.
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RSoxNo1

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Frozen was a massive box office hit that no one expected. Frozen Ever After as a C-Ticket Fantasyland attraction will no longer fly in contemporary theme parks. I just don't get why we are left with only 1 option when there are many options. Disney didn't do anything to milk that phenomenon for over a year. The theme park attractions came much later. I went to the Frozen meet and greet at Magic Kingdom, the sing-a-long at California Adventure, and the subsequent musical version at DCA too. Harry Potter changed the equation that grand single-IP lands are possible.

We already forget that 4 princesses were already showcased at Akersus for the character meals, Mulan and Dragon at China Pavilion, Snow White at German Pavilion.

The Norway Pavilion was the right opportunity at the right time and it fell on Disney's lap when the Norway government gave up on it. Corporate and Government sponsorships are on the way out. Government can't afford. Corporations no longer see the marketing advantage. This is Disney's theme parks and there's ultimately only one corporate sponsorship that is Disney. Frozen needed a bigger place to showcase itself. It became the theme at Norway.

Authenticity is still possible. It just get blurred.
Frozen Ever After is a disservice to the Frozen franchise and a disservice to World Showcase. I actually enjoy the ride, but it feels out of place and stripped down to the simplest version of what it could be.
 
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Bender123

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Magic Journeys was definitely a weird one haha. But from what I've heard (being born in '95 and missing it), it was pretty innovative and a spectacle for its time!

It was very innovative...If I recall, the cameras they used were custom made for the show...

I saw that movie enough times in my life to remember it was both visually amazing and weird. Looking back at it, it seems like WDI just took all the drugs and said "Well...we have this super expensive custom 3D camera and about 4 hours until we start coming down...so..."
 

RoysCabin

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Ha, seeing people discuss Magic Journeys makes me think of the reaction I had when I watched the film in its entirety on Martin's channel, seeing it whole for the first time since I was a kid and it was still running in the Magic Kingdom. I was blown away by how many images from the movie stuck with me over the years even though I couldn't really place where they came from, like the witch against the backdrop of the moon and the circus scene. Since I was born in '85 I always associated the Magic Eye Theater more with Captain EO and HIStA, but Magic Journeys certainly earned its place as a true original.
 

Bender123

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Ha, seeing people discuss Magic Journeys makes me think of the reaction I had when I watched the film in its entirety on Martin's channel, seeing it whole for the first time since I was a kid and it was still running in the Magic Kingdom. I was blown away by how many images from the movie stuck with me over the years even though I couldn't really place where they came from, like the witch against the backdrop of the moon and the circus scene. Since I was born in '85 I always associated the Magic Eye Theater more with Captain EO and HIStA, but Magic Journeys certainly earned its place as a true original.

Well...I dove back in and rewatched it. The visuals are striking, but there are some seriously terrible 80s effects...The "eye" and galaxy are just pure cheese. The rest of the visuals range from to "You smoked ALL of it????". Its disjointed in the way I feel trying to piece together a night when I get a bottle of tequila...like its there, but it makes no sense.

I genuinely hate the song...Its that creepy synth heavy early 80s that didn't quite excise disco. I know they were going for "wonder" and for me, the song is terrifying more than the images. It hits that uncanny valley of weirdness that just hits me so very wrong...Like it was designed to just make you feel uncomfortable. If it was re-scored to a real orchestra, I would guess that it would be much less strange.

I have to review this in two ways...
Sober me gives it a ***
Post alcohol and/or weed (Pending...for science)
 

brb1006

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Well...I dove back in and rewatched it. The visuals are striking, but there are some seriously terrible 80s effects...The "eye" and galaxy are just pure cheese. The rest of the visuals range from *** to "You smoked ALL of it????". Its disjointed in the way I feel trying to piece together a night when I get a bottle of tequila...like its there, but it makes no sense.

I genuinely hate the song...Its that creepy synth heavy early 80s that didn't quite excise disco. I know they were going for "wonder" and for me, the song is terrifying more than the images. It hits that uncanny valley of weirdness that just hits me so very wrong...Like it was designed to just make you feel uncomfortable. If it was re-scored to a real orchestra, I would guess that it would be much less strange.

I have to review this in two ways...
Sober me gives it a ***
Post alcohol and/or weed (Pending...for science)
Already exists.

I actually enjoyed the synth music for the actual attraction.
 

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