FrankLapidus
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But no one cares about Figment in 2019...
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EPCOT Inside Out to Replace Journey into Imagination with Figment?
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But no one cares about Figment in 2019...
Figments Friend
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Raise your vintage plush, and let your voice be heard!
FIGMENT POWER!
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fngoofy
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You are correct. When Disneyland opened in the late 50s you had Davy Crocket, then Swiss Family, even Matterhorn is based on their movie 3rd Man on the Mountain. Then you toss in Snow White, Peter Pan, Mr. Toad, etc. Lot of IPs from the get go.
FigmentJedi
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Davy Crockett had a wax museum that lasted only about a year and the serial itself was put into production to promote Disneyland. Westerns were one of Disney's early blind spots and the only content they could think of to represent Frontierland in the Disneyland show's first year besides Davy was So Dear to My Heart and Treasure Island of all things. Frontierland on opening day was less about immersing you into specific western films of the time and more about letting you have an adventure in that particular genre setting.
Similarly, while Matterhorn Bobsleds was inspired by the production of Third Man on the Mountain, there's no real connection besides the setting and no signs of that film's characters and music. The mountain climbing show tradition wasn't based around Rudi Matt, they made up a Hans and Franz mountain climber duo.
Fantasyland's animation focus was about as IP reliant as early Disneyland got.
DCLcruiser
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The character is hidden inside of a decaying pavilion. Yes, there was a comic series, but that doesn't get the same exposure as tv or movies. There's a reason why the character remains (same reason why everything is a reboot these days)...new parents were all kids in the 80s, who grew up seeing Figment.
I'm sure Disney Animation Studios and Pixar can figure out a way to make Figment into a movie.
A Disney+ revival seems too obvious. So why no love?
RSoxNo1
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It's not unprecedented for them to announce a development 4 years ahead of when we expect to see movement, but it does seem a bit early.
I don't think World of Motion was ever anyone's favorite attraction in the same way Imagination, Horizons or SSE was. Add in the fact that of the original Epcot pavilions that were ultimately replaced/updated, Test Track was the most well received.
IP attractions pray on familiarity and they're primary benefit is a year one marketing push. The Disney parks need to utilize IPs where they are most appropriate. It seems that under Iger they think about the IP first as opposed to the area it's going into. It needs to be the other way around if you want to avoid diluting themes and producing a subpar product.
Frozen Ever After is a perfect example of this. This would be a welcome Fantasyland C-ticket attraction and a better fit thematically than World Showcase. The actual quality of the attraction is affected by the disconnect in the theme. You can argue that "who really cares", but historically Disney absolutely did care about this.
I've written my fair share about this, but this may be the most relevant: https://www.micechat.com/101023-tim-grassey-addicted-easy-money/
There's also this quote from John Hench:
“Walt had the idea that guests could feel perfection. I once complained to him about the construction of some new stagecoaches. Walt had asked that the cab be suspended by leather straps as early Western stagecoaches had been. I thought that this was too much and told Walt “People aren’t going to get this, it’s too much perfection.” “Yes they will,” He responded. “They will feel good about it. And they will understand that it’s all done for them.” He went on to lecture me, “If they don’t understand it, if you do something and people don’t respond to it, it’s because you’re a poor communicator. But if you really reach them and touch them, people will respond because people are OK.”
“Guests’ memories come into play in many ways in theme park design beyond their recollection of certain films, as with the Indiana Jones attraction. Guests’ spontaneous decision making – where they choose to go in the parks and what they choose to do – is influenced by all kinds of personal and collectively shared memories, as much as by the sensory stimuli around them.”
Whether we consciously understand why we like something or not doesn't mean we don't like it. The best themed areas make sense and feel "right" due to the non-linear story telling that takes place. If something takes us out of that story the quality suffers.
Everest cost $100 mil and from 2005-2007 the park saw a 15.7% attendance increase
At minimum, Pandora costs $500 mil and from 2016-2018 the park saw a 26.8% increase. Not insignificant by any means, but not as efficient as Everest.
starri42
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A larger percentage of a larger number of people, though.
And a 2019 low-season ticket costs $25 more per person when you adjust for inflation. It's even more when you factor in the surge pricing.
Figments Friend
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I really loved 'World of Motion'.
That was a fantastic Attraction.
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That was a fantastic Attraction.
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justintheharris
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Ticket prices, inflation? And once again, Pandora is still bringing in new visitors. Animal Kingdom is still riding that wave.
starri42
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My back of the envelope math says that assuming every new guest payed the low season rate, Animal Kingdom made an additional $130 million between 2017-2018. That's before you factor in the downstream income, from drinks at Pongu Pongu and the toy banshees, or the upstream ones, like increased resort occupancy and parking fees.
Just so I'm showing my work, that's just based off the difference in ticket prices since the opening of Everest, less inflation That's not even the raw number of receipts. I want to crunch the numbers for Everest, but I'd need to dig more to find the attendance numbers from that time period, because they're not as easily available.
Just so I'm showing my work, that's just based off the difference in ticket prices since the opening of Everest, less inflation That's not even the raw number of receipts. I want to crunch the numbers for Everest, but I'd need to dig more to find the attendance numbers from that time period, because they're not as easily available.
GlacierGlacier
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And pretty stable, too. Steve Alcorn's "Theme Park Design" states it was fully operational months before Epcot was due to open.I really loved 'World of Motion'.
That was a fantastic Attraction.
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DreamfinderGuy
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So was Universe of Energy if I recall correctly. That is if you don’t count the immobile Radok Screens
Rich Brownn
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UofE didn't run reliably for almost a year
Pretty much nothing ran reliably to begin with!
Bender123
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Nothing ran reliably at the end either...there was about a five year sweet spot where everything still worked. I love the sad story of the Elasmosaur in the pool that seemed to progressively develop worse and worse arthritis until it was basically comatose. Your video would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Add in the battery failures, dead effects, the door accident and various other show issues and you have a bad time.
For as bad as GMR was at the end, UoE was many times worse.
GlacierGlacier
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I've heard horror stories about the maintenance issues of the turntables for both UOE and JII. It's insane those things ever moved to begin with. It's always a treat when I get to talk to old Epcot imagineers - their stories are absolutely riveting.
AVAC Juice
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Those stories are riviting.
They were an amazing bunch. I've heard dozens of hours of Imagineering interviews by the greats.
Tony Baxter has been incredibly generous with his time, particularly in the podcast realm.
The best and brightest. Hired for sheer talent!
Not hired because WED Imagineering needed X amount of people who look like this or X amount that look like that.
A diversity portfolio in lieu of talent and creative force was never a driving Company mandate with EPCOT.
Force>Farce . Farce =Joke.
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Frozen was a massive box office hit that no one expected. Frozen Ever After as a C-Ticket Fantasyland attraction will no longer fly in contemporary theme parks. I just don't get why we are left with only 1 option when there are many options. Disney didn't do anything to milk that phenomenon for over a year. The theme park attractions came much later. I went to the Frozen meet and greet at Magic Kingdom, the sing-a-long at California Adventure, and the subsequent musical version at DCA too. Harry Potter changed the equation that grand single-IP lands are possible.
We already forget that 4 princesses were already showcased at Akersus for the character meals, Mulan and Dragon at China Pavilion, Snow White at German Pavilion.
The Norway Pavilion was the right opportunity at the right time and it fell on Disney's lap when the Norway government gave up on it. Corporate and Government sponsorships are on the way out. Government can't afford. Corporations no longer see the marketing advantage. This is Disney's theme parks and there's ultimately only one corporate sponsorship that is Disney. Frozen needed a bigger place to showcase itself. It became the theme at Norway.
Authenticity is still possible. It just get blurred.
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ObscurityPoint
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So I’m sure we’ll have most of our questions answered at D23 in August, but my broad guess is that Inside Out will 100% be integrated into Epcot, yet Figment will remain as a significant mascot of the park, somehow.