Indiana Jones 5 Now Pushed Back to 2021

[Tha Realest]

Q: Why are so many people saying this film is a colossal failure based on profits and loss?

A:

 

[CaptainMickey]

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

It was in the trade publications over two years during filming. By some reports they kept writing and re-writing the ending because audiences continued to hate it no matter how many ways they gave her the fedora. Hell, the biggest clue to just how much of an test audience pushback there was is that ...

Spoiler: Minor Spoiler at the end of the film

the very last 30 seconds of this film is identical to the last 30 seconds of the previous film (where test audiences hated the idea of Shia LaBeouf taking over the franchise) ... it's Indy literally snatching his hat back.

It did not help that the last film Phoebe Waller Bridge had involvement with ...

Spoiler: James Bond No Time To Die Major Spoilers

she co-wrote the script and Bond dies and a snarky woman that didn't like him in the beginning of the film takes over as 007.

A lot of talk of alternate endings and I sense people are citing these as a means to criticize.

Is it not a good thing *if* they ultimately went with a better ending?

Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

It will be interesting to see the alternative endings on the blu-ray. The end in the theater is pretty touching and goes back to a scene in Raiders.

These so called alternate endings will be available at the same time as the director‘s cut of Rogue One.

 

[Chi84]

Anyone can look up YouTube videos. People here are probably more persuaded by what other site members liked or disliked about the movie.

 

[Willmark]

While this is anecdotal food for thought- right now my social media is SWAMPED with ads for Dial of Destiny; Twitter and FB.

I’m the right demographic so maybe it’s nothing more than that, but I can’t recall seeing any other movie to this level in my feeds.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Simply put, a movie that had no reason to be made especially for what it cost.

It was made by these two morons who get next to NOTHING…

There’s a UK guy called critical drinker on YouTube who’s done a whole series called why modern movies suck, someone needs to send a link to Disney, I probably agree with 90% of what he says.

I also find it ironic he averages over 2 million views per episode, D+ would love those kind of views on their shows they are spending tens of millions making.

Cool..gonna have to take a glance

 

[MisterPenguin]

Posting Grace Randolph videos is a crime against humanity.

Keep in mind that so many of her fans like her because of her 'inside scoops.' Until James Gunn got fed up with her nonsense and kept fact-checking her lies publicly.

She doesn't have access to information that we all don't already have. And her opinion is her opinion, just like all of our opinions are our opinions.

IOW, you're supporting your opinion with "an appeal to authority" which is 1) a fallacy; and 2) a very wrong and bad authority.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Regardless of the type / category of movie it may be people are not flocking to movie theaters anymore.

Avatar, maverick and the Mario movie would like a hand holding their beers

 

[ABQ]

The most recent disappointing entries in those two franchises made more in their opening weekends than Indy, will likely make more over the life of their respective box office runs, and will likely get future installments.

Heck, the last Puss In Boots film has already made more than this Indy film will when all is said and done. Though Fast X did not do well domestically, it has made enough worldwide that Universal is not too concerned.

 

[Ghost93]

Posting Grace Randolph videos is a crime against humanity.

Keep in mind that so many of her fans like her because of her 'inside scoops.' Until James Gunn got fed up with her nonsense and kept fact-checking her lies publicly.

She doesn't have access to information that we all don't already have. And her opinion is her opinion, just like all of our opinions are our opinions.

IOW, you're supporting your opinion with "an appeal to authority" which is 1) a fallacy; and 2) a very wrong and bad authority.

Grace Randolph has had good scoops in the past and her box office analysis is usually good. The problem is, she never owns up to when she's wrong or when her scoops turn out to be fake, which severely harms her reputation and credibility. She also has a weird, obsessive hatred for random celebrities (like Jessica Chastain) that seem to come out of nowhere and make her seem mean-spirited.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Indy is gonna gross HALF what it needs to for break even…

You know what that means:
The $100 paper loss of TLM is great! It’s now a success/failure/success!!
Like an Oreo

 

[ABQ]

I don’t think they are necessarily wrong but I also dont think it’s healthy to watch such negativity too much. Sometimes burying your head in the sand isn’t a bad thing.

Happy to leave my head in the sand, but when I come up for air, I keep seeing reality looking like this. I would like a better return on my investment.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Happy to leave my head in the sand, but when I come up for air, I keep seeing reality looking like this. I would like a better return on my investment.
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I think you’ll see $70’s by 8/1/23

Then the fun begins

 

[Dranth]

Honestly, I am surprised it made as much as it did and I have no idea why anyone thought another Indy movie would do well at the box office.

I was done as soon as Indy climbed into a fridge to survive a nuclear blast in the last movie. It was just too stupid. They turned what was once a fun action/adventure into a joke. Sure, the original three had stunts that pushed believability but they were at least plausible within the context/universe of the movie (minus the raft in Temple, that was pushing it too far for me). I realize this is a me thing, but obey the laws of the universe you establish in your franchises, as soon as you start to break them it really pulls people out of the film.

Same goes for characters. Sure, they need an arc but stay true to who they are unless there is believable, convincing reason for them to change (looking at you Star Wars).

I'm an Indy fan and I am certainly not a Disney hater so I should be a prime target for this movie but after I saw the fourth in the theaters, I knew I was done. I had zero hype to see this, good or not, I just didn't care anymore.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Honestly, I am surprised it made as much as it did and I have no idea why anyone thought another Indy movie would do well at the box office.

I was done as soon as Indy climbed into a fridge to survive a nuclear blast in the last movie. It was just too stupid. They turned what was once a fun action/adventure into a joke. Sure, the original three had stunts that pushed believability but they were at least plausible within the context/universe of the movie (minus the raft in Temple, that was pushing it too far for me). I realize this is a me thing, but obey the laws of the universe you establish in your franchises, as soon as you start to break them it really pulls people out of the film.

Same goes for characters. Sure, they need an arc but stay true to who they are unless there is believable, convincing reason for them to change (looking at you Star Wars).

I'm an Indy fan and I am certainly not a Disney hater so I should be a prime target for this movie but after I saw the fourth in the theaters, I knew I was done. I had zero hype to see this, good or not, I just didn't care anymore.

I thought it’d get a nostalgia bump and scratch out like $600-$650 worldwide?

That’s a complete non-starter now.

 

[Dranth]

I thought it’d get a nostalgia bump and scratch out like $600-$650 worldwide?

That’s a complete non-starter now.

Again, maybe it is just me but it felt like dragging out the decaying corpse of a franchise that died a long time ago. No need to see that, just let it rest in peace.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Again, maybe it is just me but it felt like dragging out the decaying corpse of a franchise that died a long time ago. No need to see that, just let it rest in peace.

I agree…but I always hope LFL isn’t in as bad of a place than it actually is.

I get darts thrown at me for being a pessimist on that all the time…but I’m not.

 

[Willmark]

Honestly, I am surprised it made as much as it did and I have no idea why anyone thought another Indy movie would do well at the box office.

I was done as soon as Indy climbed into a fridge to survive a nuclear blast in the last movie. It was just too stupid. They turned what was once a fun action/adventure into a joke. Sure, the original three had stunts that pushed believability but they were at least plausible within the context/universe of the movie (minus the raft in Temple, that was pushing it too far for me). I realize this is a me thing, but obey the laws of the universe you establish in your franchises, as soon as you start to break them it really pulls people out of the film.

Same goes for characters. Sure, they need an arc but stay true to who they are unless there is believable, convincing reason for them to change (looking at you Star Wars).

I'm an Indy fan and I am certainly not a Disney hater so I should be a prime target for this movie but after I saw the fourth in the theaters, I knew I was done. I had zero hype to see this, good or not, I just didn't care anymore.

I’m a Indy fan as well but I must be weird, I actually like KotCS.

The fridge part didn’t bother me, heck ToD has a priest sticking his hand into a dudes chest pulling out a beating heart. Ark of the Covenant and face melting in Raiders.

That said Mutt swinging through the jungle? Ugh.

For me my line in the sand is Dial but for a variety of reasons noted in the other thread.

 

[Dranth]

I’m an Indy fan as well but I must be weird, I actually like KotCS.

The fridge part didn’t bother me, heck ToD has a priest sticking his hand into a dudes chest pulling out a beating heart. Ark of the Covenant and face melting in Raiders.

That said Mutt swinging through the jungle? Ugh.

For me my line in the sand is Dial but for a variety of reasons noted in the other thread.

Mutt in the jungle was terrible and the waterfall segment was pretty bad as well but I don't think those stand out as much to me because the nuke is right at the top of the movie. It tells you this whole thing is going to be ridiculous before they even get to the main plot. The rest was just fulfilling the promise that opening sequence made.

Anyway, the supernatural stuff never bothered me because it was always tied into the series in a way that felt like it fit in the universe they established. Temple was certainly the worst offender before KotCS to push or break the boundaries of that world and I believe that is a major reason it was not as well liked. KotCS wasn't a bad concept and had some good moments, but for me, the bad was just so bad I didn't enjoy the rest. It certainly has its fans and I am sure this one will as well but it has just felt like so few people get excited about Indy anymore that I was surprised they greenlit the project to start with.

 

[Willmark]

Mutt in the jungle was terrible and the waterfall segment was pretty bad as well but I don't think those stand out as much to me because the nuke is right at the top of the movie. It tells you this whole thing is going to be ridiculous before they even get to the main plot. The rest was just fulfilling the promise that opening sequence made.

Anyway, the supernatural stuff never bothered me because it was always tied into the series in a way that felt like it fit in the universe they established. Temple was certainly the worst offender before KotCS to push or break the boundaries of that world and I believe that is a major reason it was not as well liked. KotCS wasn't a bad concept and had some good moments, but for me, the bad was just so bad I didn't enjoy the rest. It certainly has its fans and I am sure this one will as well but it has just felt like so few people get excited about Indy anymore that I was surprised they greenlit the project to start with.

I get your points, I think we’re in agreement that from the start of the series it strained believability but mostly in a good way.

We just seem to have a different line where we draw it. No issues there IMO.

I know for some folks there are no Indy movies after Last Crusade and him riding off on horseback is a perfect ending to the trilogy. Can’t fault them for that.

Sorta like Highlander, it was great that it was a single movie!