Indiana Jones 5 Now Pushed Back to 2021

[BlakeW39]

I could see that. It certainly beats people blaming Kathleen Kennedy or politics, which they seem to be doing for icky reasons.

Neither Fast X (tenth in the Fast and Furious franchise) nor Transformers Rise of Beasts (I don't even know what movie they're up to here) did well at all, and those are the two tentpole IP's for Universal and Paramount, respectively. So the problem isn't exclusively Disney. And as for perceived offensive-ness? For one of the genuine successes of the summer - Sony's Across the Spider-verse - the entire series modus operandi is to be woke ("Anyone can be Spider-man"). So I don't know that, "make stuff your daft uncle finds agreeable" is the answer.

Hopefully, the problem is that people are tired of old people peddling their old trash onto them over and over again. Fast and Furious is twenty years old. Transformers is fifteen years old. You don't even want to know how old Indiana Jones and Star Wars are to young people. Or how old all the films the live-action remakes are remaking are. I think Disney's brand reputation now is just making old stuff over and over again, except uglier and emptier and incoherent, and everyone's tired of it. And because Disney were so successful doing this throughout the 2010's (do we just call this the Twenty-teens?), all the other studios copied them and now people seem all a bit bored?

Yes as I have stated before, all intellectual properties have limited commercial value and consumer interest. Studios are currently draining their acquired IPs/franchises for all of their commercial value. Once they lose their all of their value (and it's already begun) they'll be forced to shift their focus to something new.

The entertainment industry as we've known it is going to have to undergo very significant changes VERY soon. A lot of the IPs that were previously reliable are beginning to falter, and that trend (mark my words) will only continue. Studios are goint to have to shift strategies if they want to be successful in a changing market. That includes the mouse.

Personally what I hope happens is that during those changes, we see executives change their opinions on what makes a product successful (hint: it's not just IP, and that is becoming increasingly true) and that we see more innovation soon, and with my interest being primarily in the parks I hope it means the end of the IP mandate...but now we are unfortunately getting a little far fetched.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

There's no doubt in my mind that Crystal Skull's awful reputation is hurting this one too and making people think twice about seeing it.

"Fool me once..." and all that.

 

[Tha Realest]

Deadline is confirming that the numbers show Indy will be at tho very low end of the projections, neck and neck with THE FLASH and worse than BLACK ADAM. That is absolutely abysmal and if this holds (especially with the tepid enthusiasm for those who’ve seen it) it’s going to lose tens and tens of millions of dollars.

What’s the excuse this time?

 

[Trauma]

Deadline is confirming that the numbers show Indy will be at tho very low end of the projections, neck and neck with THE FLASH and worse than BLACK ADAM. That is absolutely abysmal and if this holds (especially with the tepid enthusiasm for those who’ve seen it) it’s going to lose tens and tens of millions of dollars.

What’s the excuse this time?

Ageism?

 

[TP2000]

Variety says this morning that Indy 5 had an "underwhelming" opening weekend, but at least it wasn't a flop like the Teenage Kraken movie.

The opening sentences from Variety sum up the story on this one. Oof.

"Disney’s “Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny” lassoed the top spot on domestic box office charts, collecting an underwhelming $60 million in its opening weekend.

That’s a decent amount of money for a tentpole that’s aimed at older audiences, but “Indiana Jones 5,” one of the most expensive movies ever, cost $295 million before marketing. It’ll take a heroic feat, one that would test even an enduring legend like Indiana Jones, for the fifth installment in the decades-old franchise to become profitable in its theatrical run."

Box Office: ‘Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny’ Stumbles With $60 Million Debut, ‘Ruby Gillman, Teenage Kraken’ Flops

Disney's "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny" collected an underwhelming $60 million in its opening weekend.

variety.com

 

[TP2000]

Deadline is confirming that the numbers show Indy will be at tho very low end of the projections, neck and neck with THE FLASH and worse than BLACK ADAM. That is absolutely abysmal and if this holds (especially with the tepid enthusiasm for those who’ve seen it) it’s going to lose tens and tens of millions of dollars.

What’s the excuse this time?

Movie theaters post-Covid no longer have hat check counters, so Indy fans couldn't check their fedoras and stayed home?

 

[CinematicFusion]

Deadline: “How could Disney and Lucasfilm mess this up?

Yesterday, I learned from a key source that Indiana Jones and the Dial Destiny before $100M in estimated P&A, cost a mindboggling $300M-plus. Much higher than the $250M-$295M that’s been leaked out there. Disney doesn’t comment on budgets, and I’m getting some pushback, but the high price tag here is due to the start and stops of production during Covid, Harrison Ford’s $20M fee which I’m told, director James Mangold got a pretty penny, with Steven Spielberg reaping as is standard a huge producing fee here”

‘Indiana Jones’ & The Box Office Of Doom: Why ‘Dial Of Destiny’ At $60M Opening Isn’t Setting Records For Franchise Finale – Updated Box Office

'Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny' is looking at a box office opening weekend of $60 million to $65 million in the U.S.

deadline.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Ouch…John Carter territory.

Their sad excuse for a “story” is getting blasted world wide. Character “malfeasance”

…come on…let’s hear it?

 

[TalkingHead]

Deadline: “How could Disney and Lucasfilm mess this up?

Yesterday, I learned from a key source that Indiana Jones and the Dial Destiny before $100M in estimated P&A, cost a mindboggling $300M-plus. Much higher than the $250M-$295M that’s been leaked out there. Disney doesn’t comment on budgets, and I’m getting some pushback, but the high price tag here is due to the start and stops of production during Covid, Harrison Ford’s $20M fee which I’m told, director James Mangold got a pretty penny, with Steven Spielberg reaping as is standard a huge producing fee here”

‘Indiana Jones’ & The Box Office Of Doom: Why ‘Dial Of Destiny’ At $60M Opening Isn’t Setting Records For Franchise Finale – Updated Box Office

'Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny' is looking at a box office opening weekend of $60 million to $65 million in the U.S.

deadline.com

Simply put, a movie that had no reason to be made especially for what it cost.

 

[mf1972]

There's no doubt in my mind that Crystal Skull's awful reputation is hurting this one too and making people think twice about seeing it.

"Fool me once..." and all that.

i thought that could be a factor for a low turnout. i heard people stay his age. i personally know 2 people who won’t see it because they accuse disney of being woke, etc so i might factor some people are protesting disney with their wallets. then i hear about other people who thought the series didn’t need another sequel. either way, there’s probably many reasons why it’s not performing to expectations.

 

[Tha Realest]

A little bit of a bio here. This is my favorite franchise of all time. During my first week on campus our college showed each of the original movies on film. I eschewed parties so I could watch each film in person (which I already owned on VHS and LaserDisc). I took a vacation day to see KOTKS. I own every novel and comic book. Played every video game multiple times. Own countless toys and props.

Didn’t go to see this this weekend, and am just going to wait to see at home.

 

[TalkingHead]

The thing with this movie has always been Ford’s advanced age didn’t make sense with the physical action-adventure nature that’s the trademark of the franchise.

Any sane producer/exec worth their salary would’ve realized this early on and nixed the project. But this is the Iger era, and Disney believes it can will people to show up to anything.

After this summer we can safely say that’s absolutely not the case.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

There’s a UK guy called critical drinker on YouTube who’s done a whole series called why modern movies suck, someone needs to send a link to Disney, I probably agree with 90% of what he says.

I also find it ironic he averages over 2 million views per episode, D+ would love those kind of views on their shows they are spending tens of millions making.

 

[Phroobar]

I was at a 4th of July picnic yesterday. I brought up that I saw the movie. Some people where surprised there was another Indy movie. They didn't know it was released. Others said they would wait until the crowds go down.

I was amazed by these responses. I guess since we stream everything now, no one sees commercials. I said the movie was okay. They hoped it was better than Crystal Skull. So it had a lot of issues against it.

 

[ABQ]

There’s a UK guy called critical drinker on YouTube who’s done a whole series called why modern movies suck, someone needs to send a link to Disney, I probably agree with 90% of what he says.

I also find it ironic he averages over 2 million views per episode, D+ would love those kind of views on their shows they are spending tens of millions making.

Odds are they are aware of his stuff. If not, it's telling how oblivious they are.

 

[Phroobar]

There’s a UK guy called critical drinker on YouTube who’s done a whole series called why modern movies suck, someone needs to send a link to Disney, I probably agree with 90% of what he says.

I also find it ironic he averages over 2 million views per episode, D+ would love those kind of views on their shows they are spending tens of millions making.

Critical drinker is the author of a series of thriller books. Most are pretty good. He follows his own rules.

 

[ABQ]

Deadline: “How could Disney and Lucasfilm mess this up?

Yesterday, I learned from a key source that Indiana Jones and the Dial Destiny before $100M in estimated P&A, cost a mindboggling $300M-plus. Much higher than the $250M-$295M that’s been leaked out there. Disney doesn’t comment on budgets, and I’m getting some pushback, but the high price tag here is due to the start and stops of production during Covid, Harrison Ford’s $20M fee which I’m told, director James Mangold got a pretty penny, with Steven Spielberg reaping as is standard a huge producing fee here”

‘Indiana Jones’ & The Box Office Of Doom: Why ‘Dial Of Destiny’ At $60M Opening Isn’t Setting Records For Franchise Finale – Updated Box Office

'Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny' is looking at a box office opening weekend of $60 million to $65 million in the U.S.

deadline.com

I'm going to wait for someone to tell us that due to fancy Hollywood Accounting, this movie, as well as John Carter, were both highly profitable successes. That was brought up before on the Little Mermaid (2023) thread.

 

[Tha Realest]

Worst performance of 2023 (So far)

 

[Phroobar]

Odds are they are aware of his stuff. If not, it's telling how oblivious they are.

I think it shows how marketing is failing. They need to change their game plan.

 

[Casper Gutman]

A little bit of a bio here. This is my favorite franchise of all time. During my first week on campus our college showed each of the original movies on film. I eschewed parties so I could watch each film in person (which I already owned on VHS and LaserDisc). I took a vacation day to see KOTKS. I own every novel and comic book. Played every video game multiple times. Own countless toys and props.

Didn’t go to see this this weekend, and am just going to wait to see at home.

Why?