Indiana Jones 5 Now Pushed Back to 2021

[Wendy Pleakley]

There's no doubt in my mind that Crystal Skull's awful reputation is hurting this one too and making people think twice about seeing it.

"Fool me once..." and all that.

It's interesting if people feel this way.

A lot of people loathed the Star Wars prequels but lined up in drove for a movie that brought back the feel of the originals.

This is franchise that largely hit the mark 3 out of 4 times. That's a good track record, not even considering those high marks are some of the most beloved movies of all time.

I wasn't enthused about this one either, but I wasn't so jaded that I couldn't have a little faith that it could avoid the missteps of Crystal Skull.

I'll take the fourth best Indy movie any day of the week over the 7th best Fast and Furious movie or whatever.

Maybe this one will benefit from decent word of mouth once people here it's fun and doesn't have the divisive moments that CS did.

Was it Ford's age? Maybe. It's a movie so you can make him appear more competent than what is realistic. I just kind of go with it. Heck, Keanu Reeves is almost 60 and the John Wick movies are just as unrealistic in that regard but you just gotta accept it a bit.

 

[Slpy3270]

Eh. Even if it had an A- or A CinemaScore I doubt it would've gotten beyond $70 million in the US on opening weekend. Between the Cannes fumble, disproportionately older fan base, relatively minimal foreign fan base, the fact that people just aren't coming out to the theaters unlike last year (they're probably waiting for MI, Barbie and Oppenheimer, though I'm skeptical they'll do that good) and people not interested in another Indy after Crystal Skull, the cards were stacked against it since day one.

I guess Disney can say "Hey, we did SLIGHTLY better than The Flash" but that's hollow given the similarly ridiculous budget and minimal difference in gross. Either way, the chances of Lucasfilm being New Line'd and absorbed into another Disney division and relegated to in-name-only status just skyrocketed, a long overdue plan TBH.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

It’s honestly hard to say. I just feel ambivalent about it. Very disappointed with the last film. This one doesn’t really have me that excited. Youngish kids but old enough to see all the films (I did skip some scenes in TOD) so they keep me somewhat busy. That said, I’ve taken them to Ant-Man and Spiderverse and a few others in recent months.

Last Crusade was the first Indy movie I saw in the theater. I was quite young and my friend and I were bouncing off the walls after with excitement. Just a run roller coaster ride of a movie from start to finish.

As we get older I think it's pretty rare to have that same reaction to any movie. It's particularly hard for an Indy movie to live up to films that are such classics. Spielberg and Lucas at the height of their creative powers.

I recommend this one to Indy fans. Just keep expectations in check and don't expect it to hit the way the first ones did.

It's a satisfying finale in a way CS wasn't.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

It's interesting if people feel this way.

A lot of people loathed the Star Wars prequels but lined up in drove for a movie that brought back the feel of the originals.

Star Wars probably added to the “fool me once” mentality. As did the Jurassic World Series, Fast furious series, Transformers series. etc, Hollywood has an ever increasing track record of using big money properties and making them worse with every (money grab) sequel.

I don’t think people expect it to be outright bad, they just don’t expect it to be good enough to justify driving across town, spending $15 a person for a ticket, and sacrificing 3 hours of their day to be mildly entertained.

 

[GimpYancIent]

Regardless of the type / category of movie it may be people are not flocking to movie theaters anymore.

 

[Tha Realest]

Regardless of the type / category of movie it may be people are not flocking to movie theaters anymore.

I get this. But they’re flocking to some movies. Even Disney ones. They’re just not reliably doing so any longer. Audiences have more options and are more fickle.

There’s not one size fits all solution other than to 1) get those budgets under control, pronto, and 2) insist on a baseline level of quality (some of these $200M+ productions look like something cooked up on a Spy Kids film)

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

2) insist on a baseline level of quality (some of these $200M+ productions look like something cooked up on a Spy Kids film)

That's the thing that's getting me... the quality (in everything) these days is simply not there. It's now showing.

If you used to be involved with Lucasfilm, you were shoulder to shoulder with some of the most talented and cutting edge people in every related field on the planet. Now, it's mediocre people making a mediocre product (yet still expecting high end financial return).

 

[Slpy3270]

Just got out of it.

Eh...it's not great. I say it's a solid conclusion to the whole series, but the

Spoiler

time travel to the Roman period

was really corny. Even the alien scene in Crystal Skull was more intelligent.

Tellingly, most of the people in my theater (including my dad) are 50+. Says a lot about who the film was really made for. They enjoyed it, though. Lots of clapping.

So the soft opening weekend doesn't shock me, like I said. At least they can say they met industry expectations....the very lowest of them.

 

[MrPromey]

Simply put, a movie that had no reason to be made especially for what it cost.

They had to promote that booze stand in Hollywood Studios, somehow, didn't they?



[EDIT] - I'll probably still go see it but because I'm a hopeless fanboy who secretly hates himself - not because I'm trying to offer any support to the booze stand.

 

[Phroobar]

Maybe they are waiting for the crowds to die down?

I know a lot of people that haven't been to the movies in years. They still think you line up outside and you run for the best seats. Little do they know the theaters have been empty all year.

 

[MrPromey]

...

I'll take the fourth best Indy movie any day of the week over the 7th best Fast and Furious movie or whatever.

...

To me, that reads like some of the most feint praise I've ever seen.

... Said, as someone who begrudgingly goes on the F&TF ride when the posted wait is 20 minutes or less to make a 10 year old happy but would never sit through a whole movie.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

To me, that reads like some of the most feint praise I've ever seen.

... Said, as someone who begrudgingly goes on the F&TF ride when the posted wait is 20 minutes or less to make a 10 year old happy but would never sit through a whole movie.

Not intended to be faint praise. The original Indy trilogy represents some of the best popcorn movies of all time.

A movie that doesn't reach that rarified level can still be good.

 

[MrPromey]

Not intended to be faint praise. The original Indy trilogy represents some of the best popcorn movies of all time.

A movie that doesn't reach that rarified level can still be good.

I'm just messin' with you.

People keep bringing up FATF and Transformers to make comparisons with and every time they do, I keep thinking "you're not doing Indy 5 any favors, here setting the bar that low"

 

[Tha Realest]

I'm just messin' with you.

People keep bringing up FATF and Transformers to make comparisons with and every time they do, I keep thinking "you're not doing Indy 5 any favors, here setting the bar that low"

The most recent disappointing entries in those two franchises made more in their opening weekends than Indy, will likely make more over the life of their respective box office runs, and will likely get future installments.

 

[MrPromey]

The most recent disappointing entries in those two franchises made more in their opening weekends than Indy, will likely make more over the life of their respective box office runs, and will likely get future installments.

I get your point.

My point was that In my entirely personal and subjective opinion*, both of those franchises are complete and total crap, so when someone's like "it's not as bad as those" I find myself... unmoved.

*gotta be clear for our viewing audience

 

[Newtwo]

I fully expect Disney to give Kathleen Kennedy a raise and title bumb after she lost them hundreds of millions of dollars more.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I just went into my YouTube history and deleted all the recent Indy 5 videos, Little Mermaid videos, Lightyear videos, box office videos, and movie commentary videos I’ve watched over the past several months because the YouTube algorithm was recommending nothing but Disney doom and gloom videos (a shocking amount) and I don’t need that kind of negativity in my life.

The sad thing is I can’t disagree with them so it was turning me into a pessimist too. I don’t need YouTube doomers spoiling my love of Disney, Disneys doing a pretty good job of that already with many of the decisions they’ve made over the last couple years. (G+, reservations, magical express, price increases, etc).

I don’t think they are necessarily wrong but I also dont think it’s healthy to watch such negativity too much. Sometimes burying your head in the sand isn’t a bad thing.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

…ok…gonna need to hush up right there

But seriously…raiders is one of the best action/adventure movies ever. So is empire.

But it’s largely so because of when it came out and the world it came into and what has happened since. Time and space.

Not considering that is EXACTLY Why LFL is failing…and on the other side why maverick was such a ridiculous smash hit.

People like to “go home again”…don’t hate them for it. Studios need to understand.

Oh, I totally agree that Raiders and Empire are iconic.

But I still like The Mummy, Last Crusade and Star Wars better than both of those. Probably because they're lighter in tone.

 

[MrPromey]

I just went into my YouTube history and deleted all the recent Indy 5 videos, Little Mermaid videos, Lightyear videos, box office videos, and movie commentary videos I’ve watched over the past several months because the YouTube algorithm was recommending nothing but Disney doom and gloom videos (a shocking amount) and I don’t need that kind of negativity in my life.

The sad thing is I can’t disagree with them so it was turning me into a pessimist too. I don’t need YouTube doomers spoiling my love of Disney, Disneys doing a pretty good job of that already with many of the decisions they’ve made over the last couple years. (G+, reservations, magical express, price increases, etc).

I don’t think they are necessarily wrong but I also dont think it’s healthy to watch such negativity too much. Sometimes burying your head in the sand isn’t a bad thing.

Thanks for reminding me we can do that.

I'm following your lead, both for this and for other unwelcome rabbit holes I've been getting caught in on there.

I'm not sure what it says about me but Youtube has been pushing a lot of negative Disney, war in Ukraine, and Taylor Swift on me lately.

 

[Willmark]

Raiders is likely the movie I’ve watched the second most after Star Wars; literally hundreds of times. ToD was uneven IMO, but good, Last Crusade was great. I even liked Crystal Skull and thought the lead fridge was funny; Mutt swinging through the jungle, god awful.

Dial of Destiny? Zero interest.

Why?

The Last Jedi.

That “movie” soured me on Disney Star Wars. I watched Rise of Skywalker and was pleasantly surprised by Solo, but still wary. The godawful last Jedi taught me to be extremely wary of what the Mouse turns out. In other words I don’t trust Disney, as in at all to turn out a movie the caliber of what a Indiana Jones movie should be, but rather have varying reasons preventing it from being great, let alone good.