Tha Realest
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I never said the fanboy ending was real. But this disputes Mangold’s suggestion there were no reshoots or alternate endings
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Indiana Jones 5 Now Pushed Back to 2021
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Casper Gutman
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Mangold said they hadn’t held any test screenings at that point. Williams doesn’t challenge that.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Looks like whatever they did…it didn’t work
AdventureHasAName
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Mangold also said there were no reshoots.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Kathy said the force was a girl too
Casper Gutman
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I see this. OK, either he’s spinning or lying or Williams is incorrect. Either might be true. We have no reason to believe Mangold was lying (filming alternate endings is common so it would be an odd lie), and Williams was not privy to all of the filming process. Even if Mangold is lying, there is still absolutely no evidence of the claimed alternate ending.
choco choco
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I could see that. It certainly beats people blaming Kathleen Kennedy or politics, which they seem to be doing for icky reasons.
Neither Fast X (tenth in the Fast and Furious franchise) nor Transformers Rise of Beasts (I don't even know what movie they're up to here) did well at all, and those are the two tentpole IP's for Universal and Paramount, respectively. So the problem isn't exclusively Disney. And as for perceived offensive-ness? For one of the genuine successes of the summer - Sony's Across the Spider-verse - the entire series modus operandi is to be woke ("Anyone can be Spider-man"). So I don't know that, "make stuff your daft uncle finds agreeable" is the answer.
Hopefully, the problem is that people are tired of old people peddling their old trash onto them over and over again. Fast and Furious is twenty years old. Transformers is fifteen years old. You don't even want to know how old Indiana Jones and Star Wars are to young people. Or how old all the films the live-action remakes are remaking are. I think Disney's brand reputation now is just making old stuff over and over again, except uglier and emptier and incoherent, and everyone's tired of it. And because Disney were so successful doing this throughout the 2010's (do we just call this the Twenty-teens?), all the other studios copied them and now people seem all a bit bored?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I become more convinced everyday that Kathy kennedy is a human blame shield for Iger.
He’s the problem…everywhere…which is the only logical conclusion when EVERYONE else gets fired.
That’s how dictators work.
I’m with the rest of your post. Spot on
Vegas Disney Fan
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I’m amazed she still has a job, Star Wars steady decline should have been more than enough reason to replace her years ago. I don’t know how anyone in the board room or executive offices can justify keeping her around while firing thousands of employees due to the companies finances.I become more convinced everyday that Kathy kennedy is a human blame shield for Iger.
He’s the problem…everywhere…which is the only logical conclusion when EVERYONE else gets fired.
That’s how dictators work.
I’m with the rest of your post. Spot on
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
That’s why I think it’s Bob. She’s just the messenger and takes all the hate…for a hefty fee.
Remember: she’s not “George’s Gal”…she’s Steven’s…
(Relax woke brigade…you know what I mean)
She could just be playing out the string…ya know?
Vegas Disney Fan
Well-Known Member
Didn’t they renew her last contract during Chapek?
It has to go beyond just being Igers shield, Disney is a company in disarray, maybe the executive team was afraid once the gates were opened they’d all be fired, which may be the case. Chapek is now gone, McCarthy is now gone, Newton is gone… I think more change is coming.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
They never “announced” anything…as I recall?
It showed up from HER side.
Persona non-grata
Barely is shown at the conventions…
And I found it humorous on Mando documentary for season 3 they showed her for about a hot second and favreau said…”oh…and Kathy
”Curious indeed
Disney Irish
Premium Member
She ain't going anywhere until she wants to, and you know it. She'll remain through her existing contract, which is next year I believe, and then in my opinion will likely retire. Until then she's just the lighting rod used by fans to direct their hate, and I'm sure she is laughing to the bank about it.They never “announced” anything…as I recall?
It showed up from HER side.
Persona non-grata
Barely is shown at the conventions…
And I found it humorous on Mando documentary for season 3 they showed her for about a hot second and favreau said…”oh…and Kathy
Curious indeed
erasure fan1
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Yes, she's not going anywhere until she wants to. I don't believe she will retire though. Why would she? Disney seems to just let her do whatever she wants. So it's a pretty good gig for her. It's not like she cares what any of the fans think.
Well she's made herself the lightning rod. That's what happens when you act the way she's acted. And yes, she's laughing all the way to the bank. Because that's who she is.
tcool123
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Finished the movie it was fine, better than Crystal Skull (not saying much there though). Honestly, Helena was kinda flat to me alongside her sidekick. The theater seemed to enjoy it, it was sold out but also a smaller theater. I don't think it is a bad film, but when compared to the original trilogy it is definitely weaker. It honestly wasn't what I thought it would be, but the best parts for me where when Sallah was on screen.
Would I reccomend rushing to see it? Unless you're a fan of the franchise or actors, not really. I'm sure it is a better experience in theaters but I wouldn't say to watch it over some other pass releases if you haven't gotten to them yet.
Would I reccomend rushing to see it? Unless you're a fan of the franchise or actors, not really. I'm sure it is a better experience in theaters but I wouldn't say to watch it over some other pass releases if you haven't gotten to them yet.
TP2000
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I'm going to skip this movie and wait for the de-aging thing to be available at my local Lancome counter instead.
Wendy Pleakley
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I was going to wait on this one to watch at home but word of mouth was solid if not exceptional so I saw it.
It's good. You have to keep things in perspective. It's the fourth best Indy movie but that's not a bad thing given how good those movies were. This is better than a lot, maybe most, movies.
It gives you what an Indy movie should. Our heroes and the villains racing against each other to acquire an artifact with a series of cliffhanger action sequences along the way.
I wish at least a few of the action sequences were more grounded in reality. They were generally too unrealistic.
It didn't have any really egregious moments like Crystal Skull that left many of us baffled. How does a nuclear bomb hand pick one fridge to fling out of a nuclear blast? How does a senior citizen not die as that fridge is flung across miles of land bouncing the whole way?
A few people have cited too much CGI and I didn't get that feeling. Lots of practical and location shooting. Didn't feel like it was created in a computer like some movies.
There's some nostalgia but not overdone.
Based on box office a lot of people are on the fence about this one. I recommend seeing it. It's the last time to see Indy on the big screen and Ford still has a lot of charisma. There's a reason he's one of the biggest movie stars of all time. It generally delivers on what an Indy movie should and avoids the errors of its' predecessor.
It's good. You have to keep things in perspective. It's the fourth best Indy movie but that's not a bad thing given how good those movies were. This is better than a lot, maybe most, movies.
It gives you what an Indy movie should. Our heroes and the villains racing against each other to acquire an artifact with a series of cliffhanger action sequences along the way.
I wish at least a few of the action sequences were more grounded in reality. They were generally too unrealistic.
It didn't have any really egregious moments like Crystal Skull that left many of us baffled. How does a nuclear bomb hand pick one fridge to fling out of a nuclear blast? How does a senior citizen not die as that fridge is flung across miles of land bouncing the whole way?
A few people have cited too much CGI and I didn't get that feeling. Lots of practical and location shooting. Didn't feel like it was created in a computer like some movies.
There's some nostalgia but not overdone.
Based on box office a lot of people are on the fence about this one. I recommend seeing it. It's the last time to see Indy on the big screen and Ford still has a lot of charisma. There's a reason he's one of the biggest movie stars of all time. It generally delivers on what an Indy movie should and avoids the errors of its' predecessor.
BlakeW39
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Yes as I have stated before, all intellectual properties have limited commercial value and consumer interest. Studios are currently draining their acquired IPs/franchises for all of their commercial value. Once they lose their all of their value (and it's already begun) they'll be forced to shift their focus to something new.
The entertainment industry as we've known it is going to have to undergo very significant changes VERY soon. A lot of the IPs that were previously reliable are beginning to falter, and that trend (mark my words) will only continue. Studios are goint to have to shift strategies if they want to be successful in a changing market. That includes the mouse.
Personally what I hope happens is that during those changes, we see executives change their opinions on what makes a product successful (hint: it's not just IP, and that is becoming increasingly true) and that we see more innovation soon, and with my interest being primarily in the parks I hope it means the end of the IP mandate...but now we are unfortunately getting a little far fetched.
Animaniac93-98
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There's no doubt in my mind that Crystal Skull's awful reputation is hurting this one too and making people think twice about seeing it.
"Fool me once..." and all that.
"Fool me once..." and all that.