Indiana Jones 5 Now Pushed Back to 2021

TalkingHead

TalkingHead

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DCBaker said:
"Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny hopes to set off early Fourth of July fireworks at the domestic box office.

Disney and 20th Century’s the long-awaited next installment in the action-adventure franchise is pacing to open to $60 million to $70 million over the June 30-June 2 weekend, according to early tracking. That’s on par with Mission: Impossible — Fallout and No Time to Die, and those films didn’t face such a crowded marketplace."

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Box Office: ‘Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny’ Tracking for $60M-$70M Debut

Harrison Ford returns in his final portrayal as the adventurous archeologist first made famous in Steven Spielberg's 'Raiders of the Lost Ark.'
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Crystal Skull opened with $100m, and positive reviews. Very unfortunate early press on this is so mixed/negative.
 
Tha Realest

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TalkingHead said:
Crystal Skull opened with $100m, and positive reviews. Very unfortunate early press on this is so mixed/negative.
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Slight caveat - that was over Memorial Day weekend. The three* (four if you include Thurs) day was still like $125M. That said, for this sequel to make half of that, with inflation and all the price increases since…yikes.

The production budget has been estimated to be close to $300M. If it opens below $100M I don’t see how it’s going to be anywhere CLOSE to profitable.

What will the excuse be this time? It can’t be marketing - the film’s commercials and tie ins and trailers have been everywhere. It can’t be Chapek - nothing to do with that. It can’t be “the Asians” or RT trolls. What will be their excuse for why this fails? @Sirwalterraleigh
 
Sirwalterraleigh

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EPCOT-O.G. said:
Slight caveat - that was over Memorial Day weekend. The three* (four if you include Thurs) day was still like $125M. That said, for this sequel to make half of that, with inflation and all the price increases since…yikes.

The production budget has been estimated to be close to $300M. If it opens below $100M I don’t see how it’s going to be anywhere CLOSE to profitable.

What will the excuse be this time? It can’t be marketing - the film’s commercials and tie ins and trailers have been everywhere. It can’t be Chapek - nothing to do with that. It can’t be “the Asians” or RT trolls. What will be their excuse for why this fails? @Sirwalterraleigh
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If they’re talking $75 mil it’s a flop. Mail it in.

As far as excuses? I’ve moved on. The fact is that Bob Iger and/or Kathy kennedy don’t understand a thing about the LFL franchises. They’ve run it into a ditch. Garbage and embarrassing mistakes. They have maybe…5 fist pump scenes in 11 years? They don’t get it.
Not cutting it. Worse than 90’s George x10
 
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Heppenheimer

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Screamface said:
Is young Indy worth watching?

EDIT: doesn't seem to be on NZ Disney+ unless I am checking before time zone differences add it.
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I haven't seen it since it originally aired but...

When it was first released, it was an entertaining show, which seemed to have an insanely high budget for the era. There was a certain narrative arc in the first season, where young adult Indy gets abducted by Pancho Villa's army, makes friends, follows one of the friends to Europe to enlist in the Belgian army in WWI ("Are you sure it is the Belgian army you wish to join?"), falls in love, and witnesses the horror of Verdun first hand (that episode in particular seemed to have a huge budget for a weekly TV show). There's nothing to do with archaeology, just general adventure and gradual character development. Up to this point, the show was pretty good...

... then, he basically became an all-purpose Mary Sue. In one episode, now he's inexplicably a brilliant journalist. Then, he's spying on the Austrians, for some reason. All the while, he just happens to meet seemingly every famous person from the 1910s and 1920s who was still remembered in the early 1990s.

I'm not sure how it would hold up now, but you could probably find much worse ways to waste your time than rewatch this show.

I remember the young adult Indy episodes generally being better than the 9 year old episodes. In the former, he was more of a protagonist driving the plot, in the latter, he was mostly just observing.
 
TalkingHead

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EPCOT-O.G. said:
Slight caveat - that was over Memorial Day weekend. The three* (four if you include Thurs) day was still like $125M. That said, for this sequel to make half of that, with inflation and all the price increases since…yikes.

The production budget has been estimated to be close to $300M. If it opens below $100M I don’t see how it’s going to be anywhere CLOSE to profitable.

What will the excuse be this time? It can’t be marketing - the film’s commercials and tie ins and trailers have been everywhere. It can’t be Chapek - nothing to do with that. It can’t be “the Asians” or RT trolls. What will be their excuse for why this fails? @Sirwalterraleigh
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If it underperforms, the reason will be obvious: it’s a movie nobody was asking for with a star who’s too old for this kind of action, made without the big-name director who did all the other films and whose name is a brand of its own (or was until maybe 7-8 years ago).

It’s was always a hoping-for-the-best scenario and, welp, doesn’t look like they got the best out of it.
 
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Mmoore29

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erasure fan1 said:
It's going to be the fans are the problem. That's the defacto excuse. It's that toxic fandom! Of course they won't be able to explain why the rest of the people didn't bother to see it. I can see the headlines now

"Indiana Jones, and the toxic fandom strikes again"
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Forgetting that the media has now said "There is no such thing and people just genuinely hate it." Of course that's not true, but they know which side their bread is buttered on. So they stop saying "toxic fandom" and say "No, they just hate it, it's just bad." Corporate media is a collective gutless worm that doesn't have the courage of their convictions.
 
Phroobar

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I still go back and forth seeing it in the theater. I will buy the DVD just for completion so they get their $12 either way.
 
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Mmoore29

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EPCOT-O.G. said:
What will the excuse be this time? It can’t be marketing - the film’s commercials and tie ins and trailers have been everywhere. It can’t be Chapek - nothing to do with that. It can’t be “the Asians” or RT trolls. What will be their excuse for why this fails? @Sirwalterraleigh
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TLM is going to do great, it's going to be profitable. And I suspect that DoD is going to be as well.

You notice how when entertainment press gives estimates and then something doesn't meet them, they blame the studio as if IT gave the estimates, when it was the press themselves that did? Who's to blame here? It's really supposed to be the studio's fault for not meeting the arbitrary numbers the press invented? Just like when a company doesn't meet the estimates guidance Wall Street analysts just as arbitrarily invent?
 
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Trauma

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Mmoore29 said:
TLM is going to do great, it's going to be profitable. And I suspect that DoD is going to be as well.

You notice how when entertainment press gives estimates and then something doesn't meet them, they blame the studio as if IT gave the estimates, when it was the press themselves that did? Who's to blame here? It's really supposed to be the studio's fault for not meeting the arbitrary numbers the press invented? Just like when a company doesn't meet the estimates guidance Wall Street analysts just as arbitrarily invent?
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I don’t know where getting your info but nope.
 
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Mmoore29

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Trauma said:
I don’t know where getting your info but nope.
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Look seriously, "We're gonna blame THEM for not meeting the standards and expectations WE set, instead of blaming ourselves for setting those expectations OURSELVES." That's what it is. And when they meet the standards, they move the goalposts anyways. That's what's happening here. But make no mistake, both movies are going to be mega-profitable.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Mmoore29 said:
TLM is going to do great, it's going to be profitable. And I suspect that DoD is going to be as well.

You notice how when entertainment press gives estimates and then something doesn't meet them, they blame the studio as if IT gave the estimates, when it was the press themselves that did? Who's to blame here? It's really supposed to be the studio's fault for not meeting the arbitrary numbers the press invented? Just like when a company doesn't meet the estimates guidance Wall Street analysts just as arbitrarily invent?
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Da hell?

It’s not gonna cover the budget
 
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Trauma

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Mmoore29 said:
Look seriously, "We're gonna blame THEM for not meeting the standards and expectations WE set, instead of blaming ourselves for setting those expectations OURSELVES." That's what it is. And when they meet the standards, they move the goalposts anyways. That's what's happening here. But make no mistake, both movies are going to be mega-profitable.
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I still don’t know what you’re talking about.

We know how much Mermaid cost to produce and market.

We know how much it has made.

It is going to lose money.
 
Tha Realest

Tha Realest

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Mmoore29 said:
TLM is going to do great, it's going to be profitable. And I suspect that DoD is going to be as well.

You notice how when entertainment press gives estimates and then something doesn't meet them, they blame the studio as if IT gave the estimates, when it was the press themselves that did? Who's to blame here? It's really supposed to be the studio's fault for not meeting the arbitrary numbers the press invented? Just like when a company doesn't meet the estimates guidance Wall Street analysts just as arbitrarily invent?
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I’m not sure what the “entertainment press” estimates have to do with profitability.

Based on current trajectory, TLM will struggle to reach profitability. If Indy opens up with those expected numbers, profitability is highly unlikely for that film as well.
 
Disney Irish

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EPCOT-O.G. said:
I’m not sure what the “entertainment press” estimates have to do with profitability.

Based on current trajectory, TLM will struggle to reach profitability. If Indy opens up with those expected numbers, profitability is highly unlikely for that film as well.
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Given the budget for Indy5 after all the reshoots is estimated at $300M its going to be a long hard road ahead to profitability, even I can see that. However given this is Harrison's last hurrah at the role if it ends up a good to passable "popcorn flick" (despite what critics say) it might get crowds out.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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GimpYancIent said:
Let's see. I believe the Indy projections are being purposely low balled after this last embarrassment.
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Actually that one opens pretty strong in 2008. The dark knight was the king that year…but it wasn’t a bad haul for Indy. People trusted Lucas and Spielberg.

We’ll have to see it. But you simply cannot trust Disney/LFL in advance and that’s dragging it down. They’ve lost 45 years of street cred.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

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Disney Irish said:
Given the budget for Indy5 after all the reshoots is estimated at $300M its going to be a long hard road ahead to profitability, even I can see that. However given this is Harrison's last hurrah at the role if it ends up a good to passable "popcorn flick" (despite what critics say) it might get crowds out.
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“might” is as far as we can realistically go…

Don’t think fords Star is as bright as it once was. He’s spent 25 years saying “yes” to anything…a facsimile of himself.

Crashing planes in the Medicare age is expensive
 

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