Imagination! Being Replaced w. Dr. Doof?

lebeau

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I hate to break this to you, but Darkwing Duck is in no way, shape, or form more "imaginative" than Phineas & Ferb.

A throw back to your childhood, perhaps. That's it.

Yeah, I watched Darkwing Duck and Tale Spin with my little brothers. I was too old to get invested and have no nostalgic attachment to them. They were decent cartoons. Better than a lot of what was on the air at the time. But Gravity Falls and Phineas and Ferb operate on a higher level. I watch those shows with my kids today and sometimes if they leave the room I find that I keep watching.
 

Fairybuzz

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Yeah, I watched Darkwing Duck and Tale Spin with my little brothers. I was too old to get invested and have no nostalgic attachment to them. They were decent cartoons. Better than a lot of what was on the air at the time. But Gravity Falls and Phineas and Ferb operate on a higher level. I watch those shows with my kids today and sometimes if they leave the room I find that I keep watching.

Well thats only an opinion. Personally I think pop culture gags weaken a show and years later if people watch it they won't understand it at all. but thats not what this thread is about so i wont go on.

Anyway there is No dr. Doof ride in the works it seems. and Its really funny to see how far we've gone here (me included)
 

lebeau

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Well thats only an opinion. Personally I think pop culture gags weaken a show and years later if people watch it they won't understand it at all. but thats not what this thread is about so i wont go on.

Anyway there is No dr. Doof ride in the works it seems. and Its really funny to see how far we've gone here (me included)

I won't continue the thread drift too far, but have you watched GF or P&F? I wouldn't say either of them is defined by pop culture jokes. Aside from having the Avengers guest star, I can't think of any pop culture jokes in either show. We're not talking about a Dreamworks movie here. Or even Aladdin for that matter.
 

docandsix

Active Member
Or even Aladdin for that matter.

Or Shrek. Self-referential humor of that kind does date films and franchises. But I agree that Phineas and Ferb hardly relies on that sort of comedy crutch. And yes, Phineas and Ferb and Gravity Falls have risen far above any other original animated series ever broadcast on The Disney Channel. Comparisons to Darkwing Duck, Recess, Kim Possible and the like can hardly be justified.

It has yet to reach the same cultural significance, but I think that Phineas and Ferb deserves to be mentioned in the class of The Simpsons and can already claim more sustained quality than Spongebob. I'm not sure that it means that it deserves to be featured in an Epcot pavilion, but if Gadget's Go Coaster still exists at Disneyland, then Phineas and Ferb are being short-shrifted.

I'd be very enthusiastic about replacing Michael Jackson with Phineas and Ferb in the 3D theater, that's for sure.
 

Fairybuzz

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I won't continue the thread drift too far, but have you watched GF or P&F? I wouldn't say either of them is defined by pop culture jokes. Aside from having the Avengers guest star, I can't think of any pop culture jokes in either show. We're not talking about a Dreamworks movie here. Or even Aladdin for that matter.

I've seen a few P and F episodes I have to say I have no idea what GF even is but I just know that aside from the offputting animation quality (yikes) I didnt find much redeeming qualities and I felt like the female chars were handled pretty stereotypically in my opinion although I probably should watch more episodes. I just don't have a lot of time between taking care of my sister and working.
 

Fairybuzz

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Or Shrek. Self-referential humor of that kind does date films and franchises. But I agree that Phineas and Ferb hardly relies on that sort of comedy crutch. And yes, Phineas and Ferb and Gravity Falls have risen far above any other original animated series ever broadcast on The Disney Channel. Comparisons to Darkwing Duck, Recess, Kim Possible and the like can hardly be justified.

It has yet to reach the same cultural significance, but I think that Phineas and Ferb deserves to be mentioned in the class of The Simpsons and can already claim more sustained quality than Spongebob. I'm not sure that it means that it deserves to be featured in an Epcot pavilion, but if Gadget's Go Coaster still exists at Disneyland, then Phineas and Ferb are being short-shrifted.

I'd be very enthusiastic about replacing Michael Jackson with Phineas and Ferb in the 3D theater, that's for sure.

When my uncle starts knowing who p and F are then we'll talk lol.

Everyone knows who homer and spongebob are. I don't think its there not yet anyway. None of us know the future so its all just opinions now.
 

lebeau

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I've seen a few P and F episodes I have to say I have no idea what GF even is but I just know that aside from the offputting animation quality (yikes) I didnt find much redeeming qualities and I felt like the female chars were handled pretty stereotypically in my opinion although I probably should watch more episodes. I just don't have a lot of time between taking care of my sister and working.

I wouldn't go out of my way to watch them or anything. They are on in my house because I have kids. But unlike other kids shows, I don't mind watching them. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they are good entertainment for any audience.

The old Disney cartoons like Darkwing Duck and Rescue Rangers were good kids shows. These shows are better.

I'm not thrilled about the idea of more toons in Epcot or anything. Just saying that the shows are good and people should give them a fair shot before assuming they are in any way less than other Disney properties.
 

Cardinals314

Active Member
If the pavilion is planning to close in January, wouldn't there have been more recent information regarding the closing besides the date. Disney hasn't confirmed the closing, but I would have thought that they would by now if the pavilion is indeed closing in January. Does anyone remember any other time frames of the announcement of the closing of a pavilion to the actual closing?
 

Fairybuzz

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no again!

also @Jeany031

There is no p and f ride. I don't even think they know themselves what they're putting in there.

I do know that its either going to restore my faith in them

or more likely (in a case of no dream finder or something as magical)

be an abomination sealing epcot as a park in which I only like 3 or 4 rides which will probably soon be gone anyway and replaced with a clone of goofy's sky school lol.
 

Seabasealpha1

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I think P and F Ride at this point is pretty much out from what I'm reading. Thankfully. To me that'd be just as good as leaving it empty because A: I don't watch the show so I wouldn't ride it and B: more importantly it wont last more than 10 years then they probably will be stuck with an empty building they messed up with kooky signage and loudness that flows like a stone in a river. Or the ride will slowly get less of a line as the Phineas generation grows up and moves on, and the next generation of kids wonder why there isn't a Wacky Marky Mole Man and Stacy ride or whatever the next craze will be. I wonder how many people here under the age of 17 know who darkwing duck is? Song of the South has staying power because it's a cult classic, It has music that people remember well, Its a forbidden fruit, and lastly Zip A Dee Doo Dah sorta became the "It's A Small World" song of the early 90s. (just watch disneyland fun and see their goofy as hey version of it!). Gadget stays because it really doesnt derive much from the show its just a rollercoaster and no one really cares if kiddie coasters are themed they just put extremely young kids on them to get them into coasters and because like me they want to see if they are too terrified or nauseous. (and the kind of kids that may eventually wonder why disney doesnt have a super x-treme 90 loop stand up flying hanging coaster thats over 500 feet tall).

However that all becomes a moot point when I realize that even if it was a show I watched It would still be a bad idea in my mind. Even a tron ride is bad in my mind. Imho you should't theme a pavillion on one show, its extremely limiting. If the land became a Lion King Pavilion we wouldn't have Soarin'. Energy is a Ellen Degenerous pavillion and look what happened! People keep saying its so 90s! The Nemo pavillion is dreadful. (Imo about seas is they should at this point demolish the omnimover entirely and create a new next gen attraction like when they first thought up Soarin', since obviously they have no idea what to do with it so they just stuck those 2-D plasma screens there, a gimmick that existed in a certain form when rides like If you had wings were made) and They put tron like stuff in TT and EVERYONE IS COMPLAINING (except me cuz I realize its not torn and it feels more epcoty).

So if you look at everyone's least favorite epcot attractions it's those that feature some pop culture thing in them to rake in customers. Majority of people don't like seas, People constantly complain about ellen, People complain about HISTA and EO, More people every day seem to appear who didn't like the mexican pavillion upgrade (talk about rushed!) And then there's Imagination! Yes! Imagination itself ties into the world of disney's 90s inventor movies! and brings in a celebrity as well! So it appears to me that making another tie in ride shouldn't be much different unless they totally break the bank on it and make it so immersive your body itself feels like its turning cartoon! Not to mention find a way to make it fit into the theme unlike nemo, of the future world, without it just having some vague excuse connection, (cough nemo again) to the old pavillion. Oh and they may want to entirely demolish the building and totally rebuild it costing tons more cash. Oh and don't forget they need to make it draw non-fans of the show by putting something unique in there and not just having you roll past some stupid plasma screens and cheap AAs because people keep complaining about Fantasyland Darkrides not being updated and saying they can just watch the movies.

or they could just dust off some old scenery put in a few enhancements and bring back the dreamfinder and get hoards of nostalgic visitors and kids who look at the old ride on youtube and wish they rode it flocking over.

The choice seems more clear to me that way. Regardless of how popular the tie in is, people won't like it if it doesn't impress them. And people are hard to impress these days.

My question to everyone is though, WHERE DID THE IDEA COME FROM THAT THE RIDE IS GOING TO CHANGE TO PANDF? was it extrapolation from the moving of the world showcase thing? Other than here I don't really see anyone talking about it being more than a vague rumor. What I seriously think in my mind is that they actually have no idea what they're gonna do with the ride and their all tossing random ideas out and this one proposal happened to leak online. But hey, thats the internet for ya! I'll admit I can't shut my mouth lol. and everyone has their opinions. Because of all this discussion it blows up in scale and then people start to believe it.

Also I can't help but feel the urge to believe that someone up there is reading these forums and looking to see which idea is more popular. I wonder if subconsciously at least anyone else feels like this? However foolish it is lol. Nah im just silly


You know, I had the EXACT same feelings about the "Nemo" overlay of the seas. In fact I wrote an entire entry in my blog: http://seabasealpha.blogspot.com/2013/08/seabase-alpha.html

I really do hope they don't screw up imagination with another "overlay" of some kind. Either they get Imagination right or scrap it all together...by this point they're hanging over the edge about to plummet into "dead horse beating" territory.
 

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