Imagination! Being Replaced w. Dr. Doof?

[Fairybuzz]

True, Imagination needs something to stand time not another tv show/cartoon/preschool set overlay, with the continuing trend of cartooning down Epcot. Anything PF should go into the Studios, if they must at all.

sorry i keep popping up as my (possibly former) favorite park epcot is a strong issue with me .

But I totally agree lol. (obviously). Its like someone took an artistic masterpiece to retouch it due to fading but instead of just retouching it they erased and replaced most of it with ms paint drawings done by kids. sure the technology is newer but its awkwardly implemented and of poor quality. not to mention the horrible color schemes!!

 

[PorterRedkey]

But I totally agree lol. (obviously). Its like someone took an artistic masterpiece to retouch it due to fading but instead of just retouching it they erased and replaced most of it with ms paint drawings done by kids. sure the technology is newer but its awkwardly implemented and of poor quality. not to mention the horrible color schemes!!

Something like this?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/8/23/1345720266144/Ecce--restoration-001.jpg

 

[Fairybuzz]

Something like this?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/8/23/1345720266144/Ecce--restoration-001.jpg

Lol! you know that totally popped into my mind when I was writing that too!

 

[Crazy Harry]

Years ago, I had a concept that would have been a rock n roller coaster style ride to replace Imagination. The imagination institute would have developed a machine to launch people into their own imagination. The story would be that as you are about to be transported, figment gets in the way and you are transported into his imagination instead. After thinking about it, I don't see why this concept can't be used for a good dark ride, maybe using some video affects for speed at certain points, and could be reminicant of the original attraction. It would have been called Brainstormers.

Also, I like the thought of converting the old Image Works into a "Muppet Labs" utilizing the same concept but they would be muppet themed exhibits and muppet AAs. I thought that Bunsen and Beaker could provide the introduction. I also envisioned a Fozzie AA doing bad stand up, and when some created a throwing motion it would project tomatoes on him or flying past him that he would react to. Or you could have the band, and be able to control each member to make your own song.

 

[Ralphlaw]

I think we all agree that the current incarnation is utterly disappointing. I think the theme of Imagination is that if you can dream it, you can do it. Walt once said something along the lines of, "At some point you've got to stop thinking and start doing." That's what this attraction should be about.

Also, recall that there isn't a whole lot at Epcot for the little kids. My daughter loved Figments at 4 years old even though the rest of us were bored with it. P&F are little kid friendly. Just put Figment in there, plan something smart, and you can make something that could actually have the emotional and inspirational impact of the American Adventure. Put Edison in there, and have the whole thing sponsored by GE. Maybe moviemakers like George Lucas. Maybe a tie in with Tony Stark building Ironman. Quite honestly, it would be my dream job to be given a budget and put together a concept that (1) Incorporates Figment, (2) Remains little kid friendly, (3) Inspires young and old alike, and (4) Does or does not bring in P&F.

Honestly, how can an attraction called Imagination be bereft of imagination, focusing on the five senses in a super stretch of what the pavilion should be about. What, stick a bunch of furniture on the ceiling, and blast us with stink? Inventors, composers, writers, designers, and (duh?!) imagineers should be all over this pavilion. Instead we have the five senses and annoyance. This could (nay should) all be so much better.

 

[Belowthesurface]

Why does Theme Park Connection have this concept art? Looks to me like it was reproduced without Disney's permission.

 

[Fairybuzz]

I think if they put P&F in it (and i keep saying that cuz trying to spell phinneas isnt exactly fun lol!) they should keep em in the 3-D theater. Not just me but I'm sure there would be an uproar if figment was trashed forever. ITs kinda dumb that they cant just put p and f somewhere else. To me they don't fit in with epcot. their perfect however for studios or DCA. They aren't futuristic they are in the present. They aren't about humanity they are about laughs. They aren't a testiment to man's artistic and creative ability, their a kids show. just silly willy stuff lol.

 

[Fairybuzz]

Why does Theme Park Connection have this concept art? Looks to me like it was reproduced without Disney's permission.

Which helps my theory that this is just speculation

 

[Bairstow]

Who is the scientist character with the afro?
She's obviously drawn by a different artist than the rest of the picture.
There's no other source for this image, but has anyone seen this picture before?
This looks like it may have been edited by a fan, but on the other hand I've seen official concept art with dropped-in photoshop clipart before.

Edit: Looks like the same picture popped up in a different thread here back in March.
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/mystery-project-at-epcot.862004/page-15

 

[willtravel]

Who is the scientist character with the afro?
She's obviously drawn by a different artist than the rest of the picture.
There's no other source for this image, but has anyone seen this picture before?
This looks like it may have been edited by a fan, but on the other hand I've seen official concept art with dropped-in photoshop clipart before.

Edit: Looks like the same picture popped up in a different thread here back in March.
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/mystery-project-at-epcot.862004/page-15

She looks like the AA in Spaceship Earth

 

[willtravel]

I have a feeling that Epcot (any new refurbs) will no longer be the park it was intended to be. After what they did to the Living Seas and Test Track. Well it's over.....

 

[Fairybuzz]

I have a feeling that Epcot (any new refurbs) will no longer be the park it was intended to be. After what the did to the Living Seas and Test Track. Well it's over.....

*dramatic captain Kirk Voice* BUT...IT DOESNT HAVE TO BE!!! *gets on knees and raises hands in the air* It doesn't have to be.....

 

[WDWVolFan]

I have no idea if it is true, but I would love to see a Phineas and Ferb take over of the Imagination pavilion. The theme of the show embodies everything that the Imagination pavilion is supposed to represent. The only thing I would fear is the implementation. I would much rather see them demo the entire building and start with a clean slate vs trying to shoehorn an attraction into the existing space.

THIS! Phineas and Ferb can keep most of the Imagination team while making the attraction a lot more attractive to kids.
And to me...I love Phineas and Ferb! LOL

 

[Belowthesurface]

Which helps my theory that this is just speculation

There is no speculation as to F&P being in the pictured spot, but they are not taking over the entire pavilion.

 

[Bairstow]

She looks like the AA in Spaceship Earth

You're right. That's almost certainly the same character.

Odd that she was used here, but at the same time I've never seen the background image of the pavilion, or that cartoony image of that Spaceship Earth AA used elsewhere.

 

[Gregoryp73]

I have a feeling that Epcot (any new refurbs) will no longer be the park it was intended to be. After what they did to the Living Seas and Test Track. Well it's over.....

I think they have gone back to the original purpose of EPCOT with the new test track, but LS is a travesty of it should be. I get that you have to keep the kiddies entertained, but it's sucking the life and purpose out of the whole FW area. Using fish, dragons, and cartoon characters to represent FW is LAZY.

FW should be an exciting representation of where we are going as humanity progresses.

• Mission space gives us an idea of where space travel can take us (although they need to refurbish and update the movie to be even more realistic)
• Test Track gives us design "on the grid" ...being able to design on the fly.
• I wish soaring had more dialog and interaction on what is being done with the land, other than just flying over it. But it helps people explore nonetheless...

Even SE has some nice moments....But UOE, Imagination, and Living Seas are not even a shade of what Walt would do.

• UOE needs to be reworked and focus on the future of energy/conservation rather than the past
• Imagination needs to be more than just a dragon and a jingle (sorry people), focus on futurists...
• Living seas needs to scuttle the pixar stuff (send that to the studios) and add sensory features that help make young kids want to visit the coasts...

 

[Fairybuzz]

There is no speculation as to F&P being in the pictured spot, but they are not taking over the entire pavilion.

Yeah thats about what I anticipated at the begining. That I'm fine with. After all they put honey stuff there without taking over the......whole.........crud....

Well it didn't originally take over it. I don't think that was the intention at the time.

and OMG THAT IS THAT GIRL!! what the hay??

I think they have gone back to the original purpose of EPCOT with the new test track, but LS is a travesty of it should be. I get that you have to keep the kiddies entertained, but it's sucking the life and purpose out of the whole FW area. Using fish, dragons, and cartoon characters to represent FW is LAZY.

FW should be an exciting representation of where we are going as humanity progresses.

• Mission space gives us an idea of where space travel can take us (although they need to refurbish and update the movie to be even more realistic)
• Test Track gives us design "on the grid" ...being able to design on the fly.
• I wish soaring had more dialog and interaction on what is being done with the land, other than just flying over it. But it helps people explore nonetheless...

Even SE has some nice moments....But UOE, Imagination, and Living Seas are not even a shade of what Walt would do.

• UOE needs to be reworked and focus on the future of energy/conservation rather than the past
• Imagination needs to be more than just a dragon and a jingle (sorry people), focus on futurists...
• Living seas needs to scuttle the pixar stuff (send that to the studios) and add sensory features that help make young kids want to visit the coasts...

Lol I'm such a dumb blond It took me forever to realize that LS meant living seas!

The thing that still bugs me about space is that its not about you actually going to space just training to go to space and for me thats not really exciting. However when I go on it I pretend its the real thing anyway, but I still think its kinda silly to be a simulation of a simulation.

Yes the new TT is so much better, the design your car is kinda like horizons' ending. It's interactive and you can actually (omigosh) learn a bit about aerodynamics and design!!

I always thought for the Land at least, sorin' should have a narration. Perhaps something with a character flying with you saying look theres blah blah blah, then give some cool information or something.

I have no idea who thought the seas with nemo was a good idea. I never went on it but the videos were soooooo boring! Its a bunch of screens showing the characters. No special effects, nothing new, hey you can even put some TVs together at home and make almost the same thing. Its such a waste of an omnimover. And I love nemo the movie too.

Imagination wasn't about the future really, its about what begats all arts invention and discovery. It's sort of like a beginning or a "making of" of the other ideas represented if you will. I reallly want the dreamfinder back but if I can't have him back, I'd at least want something just as mystical as the feelings I felt from the original ride. I want to go back into the atrium. I want them to do things that made me say "how did they do that?" again. I dont want them to put up a big black box building with some fake dressing on the front made of cheap signage and then stick a ride full of plasma screens and have an image works made of xbox connects.

 

[Wags14]

I feel P&F would fit in quite well with the Innovention pavilions (East & West). The entire show is based off of imagination and would bring a lot of attention to the areas of the park that are otherwise relatively unused or unexplored by the vast majority of children. Their mere presence would bring recognition and validity to pavilions.

However the implementation must be done right. Perhaps a complete revamping of the pavilions and buildings and start it out clean and fresh. This would be a great area for children and would also help with the brutal Soarin' and TT wait times.


Edit: edited for my mistakes

 

[Ralphlaw]

A complete refurb of the entire pavilion would be great, but big time expensive. I think you could take the current track and ride vehicles and jazz up the stuff that you go past and stop and see. I don't think tens of millions of dollars would need to be spent to make it significantly better, and to make it a true attraction again. P&F are not just about imagining things, but actually about doing things. Imagination, without action, is relatively pointless. Maybe change up the scenarios ala Star Tours. Maybe feature more hands on stuff in the after show ala Spaceship Earth. Lots could be done, and it wouldn't take a back-breaking budget to do it.

Anyhow, It's nice to think of a pure EPCOT concept as being bereft of the characters and movie/show tie ins, but that isn't the best at pleasing an entire family, of avoiding an overload to short-attention-spanned people with too much science, and of satisfying families with a delightful familiar character or two as sugar-coating for the future. Honestly, the first time I went to EPCOT in 2003 with my wife, mother and 4 year old son, we went to the Living Seas and Spaceship Earth, and then went off to World Showcase and the kidcot stops. Pure Epcot is a great idea, but some things for the little ones have to be mixed in, and the Imagination pavilion is a good place for that after the Seas. Unfortunately, a pure EPCOT sounds great, but most people want a few thrills, moving experiences, inspiration, and a touch of Mickey and the gang.

Again, the things that Mouse Junkies want may not be what the majority of park guests would like to see. Yes, the current Pavilion is disappointing, but it can be made exponentially better without an exponential budget. it also could include delightful tie-ins with the P&F's of the world without appalling the vast majority of park guests.

 

[Fairybuzz]

I feel P&F would fit in quite well with the Imagination pavilions (East & West). The entire show is based off of imagination and would bring a lot of attention to the areas of the park that are otherwise relatively unused or unexplored by the vast majority of children. Their mere presence would bring recognition and validity to the pavilions.

However the implementation must be done right. Perhaps a complete revamping of the pavilions and buildings and start it out clean and fresh. This would be a great area for children and would also help with the brutal Soarin' and TT wait times.

east and west? are you thinking of innoventions?

Although you made an error this acually is not a bad alternative. If they redid a ride we all know how thats gonna turn out (plasma screens and one or two bad was) but if they created some contraptions to put in innoventions it would fit nicely