Hollywood Studios Park Wide Changes Incoming?

Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
Didn't want to start a new thread for this discussion, so this thread will work.

Is anyone else shocked we haven't seen significant infrastructure changes to DHS by this point? We're ~15 months away from SW:GE opening, and still working with the same restaurants and pathways. What the hell is Disney thinking?

Animal Kingdom, on the other hand was enlarging walkways, expanding stores and snack areas, adding restaurants, etc 2-3 years prior to Pandora opening. As a result, the park easily handled the additional capacity.

Where are the infrastructure changes? The new Taphouse area was a good start- but I'm utterly floored they haven't handled the bottlenecks that occur daily from Frozen to Backlot.

This is going to be so, so ugly.

Perhaps instead of tearing down a third of DHS to accommodate SW:GE and replacing the GMR with Mickey, both attractions should have been used to EXPAND the park. The overall footprint in 2019 will be more or less the same as 1999, despite both those and TSL. :facepalm:
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Perhaps instead of tearing down a third of DHS to accommodate SW:GE and replacing the GMR with Mickey, both attractions should have been used to EXPAND the park. The overall footprint in 2019 will be more or less the same as 1999, despite both those and TSL. :facepalm:

Wait! Let me check to see if it's too late to make that happen!

;)

Actually, what was done is the first step to making DHS a hub and spoke park with loops instead of dead-ends.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
How? The two entry points to SW:GE are about the same as walking into the Backlot area via Pixar Place or NY Street? :confused:

Streets of America then dead-ended at the car stunt show. Before you got to that dead end, you had two huge standing buildings that you could walk all the way around (GMR-DriveIn-Commisary and Hyperion-ABCStudio), but, that's not going through a 'land' or 'park section' like a hub and spoke park.
 

The Empress Lilly

Well-Known Member
Actually, what was done is the first step to making DHS a hub and spoke park with loops instead of dead-ends.
You make it sound like that's a good thing! Why should all parks be carbon copies of each other? The MK and DAK already follow that pattern.

DHS has / had its own unique plan (distinguishing it from its elder siblings of the MK and EPCOT): two grid patterns, overlapping at a 45 degree angle. Beautiful.

DHS followed that pattern quite rigorously. Repetition being elegance. Also, neighbouring and fellow class of 1989 Swan and Dolphin followed the exact same pattern, creating superb harmony over the entire area (one of the last instances when WDW made its size a blessing instead of a curse.)
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
You make it sound like that's a good thing! Why should all parks be carbon copies of each other? The MK and DAK already follow that pattern.

DHS has / had its own unique plan (distinguishing it from its elder siblings of the MK and EPCOT): two grid patterns, overlapping at a 45 degree angle. Beautiful.

DHS followed that pattern quite rigorously. Repetition being elegance. Also, neighbouring and fellow class of 1989 Swan and Dolphin followed the exact same pattern, creating superb harmony over the entire area (one of the last instances when WDW made its size a blessing instead of a curse.)

Satan couldn't have devised a more evil park map...

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No Name

Well-Known Member
I'd hate to see the park become just like the Magic Kingdom.

But hey, at least the MK's lands are thematically fitting and cohesive. Maybe DHS will get there too someday. For now we'll have a land where you are the size of a toy in a kid's backyard and a land where you are on a remote outpost in space, neither of which have anything to do with the entertainment industry and the glamour of hollywood. Actually neither of which relate to each other in any fashion, aside from having characters present that also appear in film. But that's a stretch, in fact, make that a super stretch.
 

Next Big Thing

Well-Known Member
I'd hate to see the park become just like the Magic Kingdom.

But hey, at least the MK's lands are thematically fitting and cohesive. Maybe DHS will get there too someday. For now we'll have a land where you are the size of a toy in a kid's backyard and a land where you are on a remote outpost in space, neither of which have anything to do with the entertainment industry and the glamour of hollywood. Actually neither of which relate to each other in any fashion, aside from having characters present that also appear in film. But that's a stretch, in fact, make that a super stretch.
Just because it would be following the theme park model (hub-and-spoke) that has proven to be the most successful with crowd flow does not mean it is Magic Kingdom. It simply means it's less frustrating for guests as they will be running into a lot less dead ends.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Streets of America then dead-ended at the car stunt show. Before you got to that dead end, you had two huge standing buildings that you could walk all the way around (GMR-DriveIn-Commisary and Hyperion-ABCStudio), but, that's not going through a 'land' or 'park section' like a hub and spoke park.
The MGM hub and spoke was formed when Mickey Avenue opened to guest foot traffic in early 1991.
 

JohnD

Well-Known Member
Perhaps instead of tearing down a third of DHS to accommodate SW:GE and replacing the GMR with Mickey, both attractions should have been used to EXPAND the park. The overall footprint in 2019 will be more or less the same as 1999, despite both those and TSL. :facepalm:

Actually, when pulling up Google satellite view it pulls up an OLD view of the park. Now, SW:GE takes up the same footprint of mostly ONE attraction: Light, Motors, Action! So by using the same footprint, they're already expanding the park.
 

DisneyJeff

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
I'd hate to see the park become just like the Magic Kingdom.

But hey, at least the MK's lands are thematically fitting and cohesive. Maybe DHS will get there too someday. For now we'll have a land where you are the size of a toy in a kid's backyard and a land where you are on a remote outpost in space, neither of which have anything to do with the entertainment industry and the glamour of hollywood. Actually neither of which relate to each other in any fashion, aside from having characters present that also appear in film. But that's a stretch, in fact, make that a super stretch.

Just imagine that you are shrunk down to the size of a Star Wars action figure and everything will flow perfectly. It's just the Star Wars portion of Andy's back yard. :)



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PizzaPlanet

Well-Known Member
Didn't want to start a new thread for this discussion, so this thread will work.

Is anyone else shocked we haven't seen significant infrastructure changes to DHS by this point? We're ~15 months away from SW:GE opening, and still working with the same restaurants and pathways. What the hell is Disney thinking?

Animal Kingdom, on the other hand was enlarging walkways, expanding stores and snack areas, adding restaurants, etc 2-3 years prior to Pandora opening. As a result, the park easily handled the additional capacity.

Where are the infrastructure changes? The new Taphouse area was a good start- but I'm utterly floored they haven't handled the bottlenecks that occur daily from Frozen to Backlot.

This is going to be so, so ugly.
Hopefully it's so ugly that the company understands the park needs more investment.
 

The Empress Lilly

Well-Known Member
Satan couldn't have devised a more evil park map...

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Tsk, tsk. Demagoguery. A similar map of the MK looks like a plate of spaghetti.

Even so, note how in your map of pathways one can notice another aspect of DHS' planological ordening: ever notice that there is a very fast, easy route between any two points? (Disregarding the later opened pathways in the back of the park, such as Mickey Avenue and new giant cumbersome loop of TS and SW Lands). From ToT to ST at the other end is a far easier walk than from SSE to the AA, or from Pirates to the Speedway.


However, it is the underlying organising principle that is the subject:
There is a hub-and-spoke for the MK, as simple as it is brilliant.
At EPCOT, the slightly less genius but still brilliant double fan of FW and the even better single path around a lake leading into cul-de-sac pavilions of WS.
And at DHS, the double grid pattern.

The main artery is aligned South to North in the MK, and North to South in EPCOT. So that both park's icons are basking in the sun from the main vantage points within the parks (yes, kids, the designers think about these things and people such as myself can read them when walking the parks as if they were written in a Simple English Wikipedia entry!). At DHS, to vary on this theme, the park stands at a perfect 45 degree North-South angle.

Each park differently organised. Rather than trying to mimic each other, which is a mistake. Variation between parks was and should be the goal!

These pics (b&w for clarity) are more useful than your spaghetti plate (which, again, actually looks quite organised compared to similar maps of the other three parks):

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DinoInstitute

Well-Known Member
Tsk, tsk. Demagoguery. A similar map of the MK looks like a plate of spaghetti.

Even so, note how in your map of pathways one can notice another aspect of DHS' planological ordening: ever notice that there is a very fast, easy route between any two points? (Disregarding the later opened pathways in the back of the park, such as Mickey Avenue and new giant cumbersome loop of TS and SW Lands). From ToT to ST at the other end is a far easier walk than from SSE to the AA, or from Pirates to the Speedway.


However, it is the underlying organising principle that is the subject:
There is a hub-and-spoke for the MK, as simple as it is brilliant.
At EPCOT, the slightly less genius but still brilliant double fan of FW and the even better single path around a lake leading into cul-de-sac pavilions of WS.
And at DHS, the double grid pattern.

The main artery is aligned South to North in the MK, and North to South in EPCOT. So that both park's icons are basking in the sun from the main vantage points within the parks (yes, kids, the designers think about these things and people such as myself can read them when walking the parks as if they were written in a Simple English Wikipedia entry!). At DHS, to vary on this theme, the park stands at a perfect 45 degree North-South angle.

Each park differently organised. Rather than trying to mimic each other, which is a mistake. Variation between parks was and should be the goal!

These pics (b&w for clarity) are more useful than your spaghetti plate (which, again, actually looks quite organised compared to similar maps of the other three parks):

t9vb5j.jpg


2lpci1.jpg
Perhaps it’s just me, but that looks just as if not more confusing. Maybe if it was a perfect grid it would work, but it’s not at all which is why the DHS layout is and always has been a bit of a mess.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Actually, when pulling up Google satellite view it pulls up an OLD view of the park. Now, SW:GE takes up the same footprint of mostly ONE attraction: Light, Motors, Action! So by using the same footprint, they're already expanding the park.
Two. Backlot theatre.

Technically the parks contracted for SWL since the Cat Canyon area is now backstage.
 

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