HKDL gets new castle, frozen land and marvel land.

[Supersnow84]

Shanghai only slightly deviated from the formula. And when it comes to it, ToT is the only notable ride system to not be in a castle park, and the reason is probably because it competes with the weenie, which you guessed it...is the castle.

I’d argue Shanghai deviated far away from the formula

still regardless it may not even be a TOT ride, we might just get another poor simulator or a half themed roller coaster, either way they really boxed themselves in with what’s already in Tomorrowland

 

[momo123]

The last non IP expansions to any of the parks were Shanghai and HK’s outer lands

In progress expansions
TDS- frozen tangled and Peter Pan
HDKL- frozen and marvel
SDL- zootopia
EPCOT- Moana
WDS- marvel and frozen

Previous expansions
TDL- beauty and the beast
MK- tron
DLR- runaway railway
DLR- galaxy’s edge
EPCOT- GOG and ratatouille
DCA- avengers campus
DHS- galaxy’s edge and Toy Story
SDL- Toy Story
DAK- avatar
WDS- Toy Story and ratatouille

So yeah the last completely non IP based e ticket was roaring rapids if you count it as an e ticket
, if not it would be soarin, if you skip repeats then it would be mystic manor

Well yes rapids is a non franchise e ticket but that came with the park opening Disney almost doesn’t do expansions without a IP HK was the only expansion (and that too I think was because HK lacked basic rides like a Frontierland mine train and haunted house. I just don’t see Disney doing a non IP big budget e-ticket (especially in HK where the last non ip good stickets were) but let’s see.

I don’t think the HK government will approve a simulator based ride for the avengers plot I just don’t see it. Sadly what I could possibly see is the Spider-Man web ride which would be an absolute disaster. But I can’t think of anything in that space maybe a smaller indoor coaster (smaller cosmic maybe? As the space isn’t big enough for cosmic) but again two indoor coasters I could see the government not approving that.

 

[Supersnow84]

Well yes rapids is a non franchise e ticket but that came with the park opening Disney almost doesn’t do expansions without a IP HK was the only expansion (and that too I think was because HK lacked basic rides like a Frontierland mine train and haunted house. I just don’t see Disney doing a non IP big budget e-ticket (especially in HK where the last non ip good stickets were) but let’s see.

I don’t think the HK government will approve a simulator based ride for the avengers plot I just don’t see it. Sadly what I could possibly see is the Spider-Man web ride which would be an absolute disaster. But I can’t think of anything in that space maybe a smaller indoor coaster (smaller cosmic maybe? As the space isn’t big enough for cosmic) but again two indoor coasters I could see the government not approving that.

I still think it’s fair to give Shanghai credit there, they just as well could have made it “(insert random Disney franchise) raging rapids” and put in some half hearted props, but they decided to specifically make it non themed

Yeah they have really boxes themselves in on the quinjet plot, stuck between a simulator and an indoor coaster in a place you don’t really want TOT, I’m actually interested to see what they do

Hopefully it’s at least passable or it’s going to further unbalance the park away from Tomorrowland

 

[momo123]

I still think it’s fair to give Shanghai credit there, they just as well could have made it “(insert random Disney franchise) raging rapids” and put in some half hearted props, but they decided to specifically make it non themed

Yeah they have really boxes themselves in on the quinjet plot, stuck between a simulator and an indoor coaster in a place you don’t really want TOT, I’m actually interested to see what they do

Hopefully it’s at least passable or it’s going to further unbalance the park away from Tomorrowland

I truly believe it was silly to build iron man before the other avengers ride. I just can’t see a simulator or coaster passing legco. I think tot is the best possible outcome here. Especially if what you heard is remotely true of e ticket in that space and another e ticket. I think for the other land I was thinking if it’s going to be a headliner I wonder if we get something like a Gyser underground style journey to the centre type attraction using test track. Now that would be a headliner. But again can a non ip ever be a headliner ?


Also I remember reading somewhere ( and actually seen this with my own eyes at HK) one of the reasons tron was built with open parts was to feature explain the ride system to the guests. Something they learnt in HK with spacemountain was people like surprises in ride system in Asia. I’ve seen numerous people drop out of the space mountain ride towards the end and also we’ve pushed friends saying it’s not a coaster and turns out it’s a coaster and they’re not happy.

This does make sense too since that point neither Shanghai or HK has a completely coded thrill attraction.

 

[momo123]

Btw I can also see the HK government willing to spend more money on Disney. Because the government really wants to relaunch the city and giving a few billion to disney won’t be the worst way to spend money. People always forget losing a little or just about breaking even isn’t a bad outcome for the government as the park provides employment primary & secondary, also secondary benefits on non Disney stuff. Like picking HK for a holiday over other regional cities (I know people with young kids that do pick HK over other places because there’s a disney park) also HK has a very liberal visa policy compared to other places in asia including the mainland and Japan.

 

[Supersnow84]

I truly believe it was silly to build iron man before the other avengers ride. I just can’t see a simulator or coaster passing legco. I think tot is the best possible outcome here. Especially if what you heard is remotely true of e ticket in that space and another e ticket. I think for the other land I was thinking if it’s going to be a headliner I wonder if we get something like a Gyser underground style journey to the centre type attraction using test track. Now that would be a headliner. But again can a non ip ever be a headliner ?


Also I remember reading somewhere ( and actually seen this with my own eyes at HK) one of the reasons tron was built with open parts was to feature explain the ride system to the guests. Something they learnt in HK with spacemountain was people like surprises in ride system in Asia. I’ve seen numerous people drop out of the space mountain ride towards the end and also we’ve pushed friends saying it’s not a coaster and turns out it’s a coaster and they’re not happy.

This does make sense too since that point neither Shanghai or HK has a completely coded thrill attraction.

I can understand why they built iron man, they needed a replacement for autopia quick, a unique ride and a new anchor for stark expo, they couldn’t build quinjet till DCA was ready and they wanted autopia gone because it has by far the worst cast requirement to guest ration in the park and it wasn’t even close

The decision made sense then but now they’ve kinda boxed themselves in because nothing will fit in that section that reasonably makes sense to put in that’s not just a copy of one of the two rides that immediately borders it


As for a journey clone that would be fantastic but the space is not possible, all the journey style rides have enormous footprints because that ride system can’t turn effectively in short spaces, they may have just enough room if they ripped down the existing grizzly gulch but there is no reason at all to do that

And yeah I had also heard tron was designed as it is because Chinese guests do not like facades hiding shoe buildings and not knowing what the ride is before they get on it, that would tend to lean towards a log flume but ehhh

 

[Supersnow84]

Btw I can also see the HK government willing to spend more money on Disney. Because the government really wants to relaunch the city and giving a few billion to disney won’t be the worst way to spend money. People always forget losing a little or just about breaking even isn’t a bad outcome for the government as the park provides employment primary & secondary, also secondary benefits on non Disney stuff. Like picking HK for a holiday over other regional cities (I know people with young kids that do pick HK over other places because there’s a disney park) also HK has a very liberal visa policy compared to other places in asia including the mainland and Japan.

LegCo 100% understands that the net benefit of Disney is massively positive even if the park has a small operating loss, as we’ve discussed before ocean park is really not the governments favourite right now and it’s rating is crashing fast

A globally competitive Disney park (not just the “only go if you can’t afford any of the other 5”) would be a big draw over cities like Singapore, Taipei and non Shanghai Chinese cities

 

[momo123]

I can understand why they built iron man, they needed a replacement for autopia quick, a unique ride and a new anchor for stark expo, they couldn’t build quinjet till DCA was ready and they wanted autopia gone because it has by far the worst cast requirement to guest ration in the park and it wasn’t even close

The decision made sense then but now they’ve kinda boxed themselves in because nothing will fit in that section that reasonably makes sense to put in that’s not just a copy of one of the two rides that immediately borders it


As for a journey clone that would be fantastic but the space is not possible, all the journey style rides have enormous footprints because that ride system can’t turn effectively in short spaces, they may have just enough room if they ripped down the existing grizzly gulch but there is no reason at all to do that

And yeah I had also heard tron was designed as it is because Chinese guests do not like facades hiding shoe buildings and not knowing what the ride is before they get on it, that would tend to lean towards a log flume but ehhh

Btw just thought of this wouldn’t this also rule out the tot style for marvel area ? As it will be closed

 

[Supersnow84]

Btw just thought of this wouldn’t this also rule out the tot style for marvel area ? As it will be closed

I’m more leaning towards rush’s line of thinking on the TOT front, that castle parks don’t like things that impede the castle as the central weenie (or for Disneyland the Matterhorn because sleeping beauty castle is too small to be a weenie)

I think if they decided to go with it having open doors at the top like TOT does would be enough to get away with the “hidden ride” problem but again yeah I think TOT’s problem is Disney didn’t go through the trouble to give HK a true weenie just so they could overshadow it with a TOT

 

[Supersnow84]

On an unrelated note (one of these days I’ll make a new thread) do you think it’s time for Hong Kong to get a downtown Disney and better market inspiration lake or do you still think the resort is too small

 

[momo123]

On an unrelated note (one of these days I’ll make a new thread) do you think it’s time for Hong Kong to get a downtown Disney and better market inspiration lake or do you still think the resort is too small

I think it’s very good idea to market the inspiration lake more widely and maybe make the area more interesting

 

[marni1971]

On an unrelated note (one of these days I’ll make a new thread) do you think it’s time for Hong Kong to get a downtown Disney and better market inspiration lake or do you still think the resort is too small

I’m guessing they know how many guests would want / use an out of park option between the park and transport and at what times of day. With the proposals and site they could always build it in phases

 

[Supersnow84]

They only might have been able to afford it if they were spending the entire 5 billion on it but they still need to fix the stark expo problem

 

[momo123]

They only might have been able to afford it if they were spending the entire 5 billion on it but they still need to fix the stark expo problem

I truly don’t see any solution to the stark expo problem. I can’t see anything that works in the space. Especially if tot isn’t an option. So if I’m correct we will then see a completely new & unique ride possibly for the space. Expect it to cost quite a bit too.

 

[momo123]

On the other hand I still think there is a way to just do something else for now and come back to this plot in the future. It’s a better solution then putting all future expansion on hold until a ride system & design can be found for the limited site.

 

[Supersnow84]

On the other hand I still think there is a way to just do something else for now and come back to this plot in the future. It’s a better solution then putting all future expansion on hold until a ride system & design can be found for the limited site.

The park is already too unbalanced on the other side

Having space as the only anchor on that side of the park is going to become a guest flow problem if the park starts to get towards Shanghai’s numbers

I think that quinjet plot needs to be prioritised

 

[IMDREW]

Theyre actively working on that king thanos ride right? I thought that was also for HKDL?

 

[Supersnow84]

Theyre actively working on that king thanos ride right? I thought that was also for HKDL?

HK has never announced anything since DCA subbed quinjet for king thanos

We don’t even know what ride design king thanos is, if it’s another generic simulator that really won’t go down well next to iron man experience

But regardless yeah HK has never made any announcement on quinjet since ant man and the wasp opened

 

[momo123]

The park is already too unbalanced on the other side

Having space as the only anchor on that side of the park is going to become a guest flow problem if the park starts to get towards Shanghai’s numbers

I think that quinjet plot needs to be prioritised

Why exactly does that matter? I’ve never seen the park have an issue even on busy days with the area feeling to crowded the only area that does feel overly crowded is tsl. I see most people start right and go towards Tomorrowland first and then around I wonder what sort of change will happen in movement once frozen opens this year. I don’t think HK will ever really get to those numbers I don’t think the park was built with that in mind. The floor space just isn’t big enough for that.

 

[Supersnow84]

Why exactly does that matter? I’ve never seen the park have an issue even on busy days with the area feeling to crowded the only area that does feel overly crowded is tsl. I see most people start right and go towards Tomorrowland first and then around I wonder what sort of change will happen in movement once frozen opens this year. I don’t think HK will ever really get to those numbers I don’t think the park was built with that in mind. The floor space just isn’t big enough for that.

If the park is going to be built for the future then it has to be built assuming that guest flow is going to one day become a problem

HK currently has 1 big choke point and it’s caused by a variety of issues, currently they aren’t going to build the path connecting TSL to arendelle so the outer path is not complete, that area of inner fantasyland is going to become a large choke point with people moving from the old outer lands to arendelle, the way to combat that is to have more people coming into arendelle from the other direction, but Tomorrowland doesn’t draw enough guests towards it due to its size and lack of attractions

This isn’t a problem now of course but if HK’s attendee goes back up towards the 6-7 million range then it will become like Asia in DAK before pandora is built if Tomorrowland stays as unbalanced as it is