Of course.
And let's not forget that anoyne concerned that a less than two-year change to Splash Mountain's retheme has no merit to do so and just...should wait and see.
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News Hatbox Ghost coming to Walt Disney World's Haunted Mansion
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Of course.
And let's not forget that anoyne concerned that a less than two-year change to Splash Mountain's retheme has no merit to do so and just...should wait and see.
Hard to believe this is the same company that reprogramed the Tower of Terror Ride profile multiple times while adding and tweaking scene's audio visual and physical effects 25 years ago.
lazyboy97o
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That technology means more stuff. They were not including data wiring in the 50s. They weren’t including as much power supply either. The show control systems of early Disneyland were minimal and crude. Not to mention all of the other things that now just go into standard buildings.
There’s not. The Hatbox Ghost at Disneyland is outside the Attic, not in the Endless Hallway. Even if they were in the same scene, that doesn’t mean the conditions of the two spaces has remained identical over the course of 50 years.
James Alucobond
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Maybe, just maybe, there's a difference between planning and installing something new in a location where it was never meant to be in the middle of a still-operating attraction and re-assembling an event that mostly uses live actors year after year with all of the necessary infrastructure already in place.
Maybe, just maybe, there's a difference between planning and installing something new in a location where it was never meant to be in the middle of a still-operating attraction and re-assembling an event that mostly uses live actors year after year with all of the necessary infrastructure already in place.
That would be true if the scenic and design did not include effects, performers, technitions, stage management, liscencing, marketing, casting and technological effects that are in the dozens every year including stage shows, custom puppetry, pneumatics, animations, audio visual and new venue locaitons construction and strike that go before and after the even'ts operating time that only gives less than ten months between opening and closing. dates The event is just not just reopened with the same or new actors in the same attractions every year as you make it sound.
There are years when entirely new haunted attraction venues are opened as the event has grown. It is sitll all more effort than a single figure, and the attraction did have downtime for other reasons recently that would and should have given them days to install this without the attraction operating.
If you want other exmaples there are more.
Transformers was built in the middle of Universal Studios Florida, building demolished and new attraction built in under years.
How was Tower of Terror so changed in the early 2000s?
Olivander's was redesigned as all of Hogsmeade operated around it.
Your argument is particularly awful as Haunted Mansion Holidays was able to put things where they were never meant to be thorught an entire ride on a grand scale over 20 years ago.
Retrofitting is one thing. But that never meant to be logic makes no sense. Nothing built in a theme park was ever meant to be. They already are placing it where it was decided it would go. Those curtains have also been up for a long time. It is just not a priority compared to other things. People have to admit that they would rather run the attraction long hours without much push to get this thing done by the time its movie came and flopped or Halloween season.
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James Alucobond
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I'm not arguing anything other than the fact that the comparison you made is meaningless because it's not the same thing at all. Scope doesn't necessarily correlate with the speed at which projects get done, and certain things just take the time they do regardless of whether they're part of a big effort or a small one. No one is suggesting the scale of this is impressive or satisfying, just that scale is not a reliable indicator of time.
Scale and scope are totally an indicator of how long something should take once it is promoted. Otherwise, a lot of the promotion is wasted. Disney is notorious right now for overpromise and under deliver.
I brought up examples because they are not the same thing, they are typically much more complex in scale and scope.
James Alucobond
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So ... you're saying the same thing everyone agrees with? That they announce and promote things too early? No one you're quoting has said any differently.
More than that. It takes too long period. Curtains have been up since September to get one animated figure with a projection illusion going. When onsite work has gone on for over two months and for sure it took longer than it should because it of course was planned to open either for movie, or at the very least by Halloween. It is more than just announcing too early.
yensidtlaw1969
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The figure is noticeably more complex than you’re suggesting.
Onsite work has not exactly “gone on” for over two months, despite the construction wall being present - my understanding is that there was indeed an issue that caused a delay, so work has not been constant.
It had been foregone since long before that brief August refurb that the figure would not premiere in conjunction with the movie. There was hope he would arrive in time for Halloween (or at least October, not so much Disney’s Halloween Season which starts in August), but it became pretty quickly apparent due to the issue that caused the delay that it wouldn’t happen. After which point the Late November reveal was announced.
I can agree that Disney’s habit of making announcements too early for projects both big and small is both frustrating and misguided. People would have scoffed far less if the first official word of The Hatbox Ghost at WDW had come in that Parks Blog post this July rather than at D23 nearly a year before that.
He should arrive soon, thankfully.
erasure fan1
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The problem is really a Disney fan thing. We all know Disneys reliability to build something. It's a running gag on these forums all the time. So let's just say this is some crazy ultra complex thing to complete. Personally I don't see how it could be. They aren't going to get much benefit of the doubt based on their track record.
Fido Chuckwagon
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Come on. It is one animatronic. They are not installing a particle accelerator.Maybe, just maybe, there's a difference between planning and installing something new in a location where it was never meant to be in the middle of a still-operating attraction and re-assembling an event that mostly uses live actors year after year with all of the necessary infrastructure already in place.
JD80
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I wear a lot of hats in my job that include project management, design, implementation etc. I've had projects delayed a month or two just because the needed paint was wrong or not available. I've had automation equipment get delivered on site and the batteries are not working properly which delays things 1-3 weeks.
I've had product ship to a FAT test and the wiring gets loosened in transport that delays things any where from a week to three.
Not to mention availability of parts. What if the animatronic got shipped to WDW and something broke during transport and during handling and moving the figure in place and something got damaged that they had to re-fab or repurchase and there was a long lead time?
Just saying there are plenty of reasons for delay.
I've had product ship to a FAT test and the wiring gets loosened in transport that delays things any where from a week to three.
Not to mention availability of parts. What if the animatronic got shipped to WDW and something broke during transport and during handling and moving the figure in place and something got damaged that they had to re-fab or repurchase and there was a long lead time?
Just saying there are plenty of reasons for delay.
peter11435
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How many animatronics have you built and installed?
How many have you installed inside a working attraction where you can only work for a few hours each day.
peter11435
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It was never planned to open with the movie
Opening with the movie's release date, and opening while the movie was planned to be in its theatrical release are two different things. (and yes, it was)
Turtlekrawl
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This discussion sums up the sad state of affairs at WDW. That it takes OVER A YEAR to install an overhyped, overrated cloned animatronic, is simply ridiculous.
Would have more impact if they would make these additions without such fanfare. But they had so little to announce last year…
Would have more impact if they would make these additions without such fanfare. But they had so little to announce last year…
Disney Analyst
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Great points, thank you for injecting reality back into the discussion.
I wonder if it's not a lighting issue. Is his placement closer to the doombuggies compared to the one in DL? With greater ambient lighting in this hallway area and because of our proximity to the figure, I wonder if the disappear/reappear illusion is not as strong as intended.
The concept art reveals that WDI's intension is to counteract low light ambient bleed by having the AA figure cast in silhouette against the glowing backlit doorway background set. Doing so creates a greater sense of contrast, thus making the black levels of the AA appear darker than actuality.
But is it working? Even if that's not the "hold up" with the installation, I do wonder if it's a factor.
The concept art reveals that WDI's intension is to counteract low light ambient bleed by having the AA figure cast in silhouette against the glowing backlit doorway background set. Doing so creates a greater sense of contrast, thus making the black levels of the AA appear darker than actuality.
But is it working? Even if that's not the "hold up" with the installation, I do wonder if it's a factor.
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If something could be that damaged to take it out of commission for this long brand new and tested from just transport that resources from company can't provide than how is it ever designed to work daily in a theme park? They knew in september this thing would not be ready until late November. I don't think something recently broke.