Rumor Hall of Presidents Replaced by Muppets American History Show???

[easyrowrdw]

Jan 6 2021 reached a boiling point of no return spurned on by lies that the ones in attendance believed as truth.

And yet the Republic still stands! As long as we can say that, we have not reached a point of no return

 

[The Leader of the Club]

In my opinion they should either keep it as is and have severe penalties for disruptive guests or just get rid of HOP and replace it with some kind of museum like exhibit on Presidential History in the same building.

There’s already a museum in the lobby of HOP. That building takes up too large of a footprint to devote solely to a presidential museum. I’d rather see them leave the lobby exhibits and gut everything else and use the space to expand PPF and add in another Fantasyland dark ride where Philgarmagic is.

 

[marni1971]

This is a terrible idea

It is. And I'm a foreigner.

 

[doctornick]

Muppets in Hall of Presidents serves multiple purposes and gets Disney out of multiple problems.

What actual problems does it solve?

 

[WorldExplorer]

What actual problems does it solve?

Many, MANY less animatronics to maintain.

Wait, you meant problems for guests?

 

[John park hopper]

The only problems are created in peoples heads that are their problems no one else's

 

[Lilofan]

And yet the Republic still stands! As long as we can say that, we have not reached a point of no return

The future of HOP in my opinion will be decided by Disney execs post November 2024 Election Day.

 

[phillip9698]

The only problems are created in peoples heads that are their problems no one else's

When the problems in ones head manifests itself physically it becomes other people problems.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

What actual problems does it solve?

1. Gives the Muppets a home that isn’t taking up valuable real estate in MK
2. Get rid of a polarizing attraction that isn’t Disney IP
3. Less animatronics to attend to and devote budget to every 4 years.
4. Would probably be more popular on average than Hall of Presidents

 

[Magenta Panther]

1. Gives the Muppets a home that isn’t taking up valuable real estate in MK
2. Get rid of a polarizing attraction that isn’t Disney IP
3. Less animatronics to attend to and devote budget to every 4 years.
4. Would probably be more popular on average than Hall of Presidents

1. They got kicked out of their home in Disneyland and no one cared.
2. The HoP is NOT POLARIZING. Where the heck did this idea start? HoP is about AMERICAN HISTORY. Not politics. Good grief.
3. Oh boy, let's replace animatronics with hand puppets. Progress!
4. Very likely not. I'll tell you why. When Michael Eisner was CEO of Disney, he (foolishly) bought the Muppets, and was going to replace Disneyland's Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln with them. The public raised holy hell, and he backed off. So much for "more popular" than HoP.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

1. They got kicked out of their home in Disneyland and no one cared.
2. The HoP is NOT POLARIZING. Where the heck did this idea start? HoP is about AMERICAN HISTORY. Not politics. Good grief.
3. Oh boy, let's replace animatronics with hand puppets. Progress!
4. Very likely not. I'll tell you why. When Michael Eisner was CEO of Disney, he (foolishly) bought the Muppets, and was going to replace Disneyland's Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln with them. The public raised holy hell, and he backed off. So much for "more popular" than HoP.

1. MuppetVision was replaced by various temporary offerings before permanent removal. This is like saying nobody cared when Spectromagic left for MSEP, we all thought it would eventually come back.
2. The men on that stage are polarizing figures, and have only become more-so since 1971. That’s a fact.
3. More live entertainment in the parks isn’t a bad thing. Also, Muppets could be animatronics like they are in MV3D.
4. Florida and California are very different markets. Mr. Lincoln is a Walt original in Walt’s park. It has roots dating back to the World’s Fair. WDW appeals to a more international audience who, frankly, don't care about American Presidents. Also, since this was considered Disney Fans have grown to love the Muppets more and the Presidency less.

 

[WondersOfLife]

I think the actual discourse is not much worse but the amplification of the extremes by social media and 24 hour news channels makes it seem like it is.

That literally makes it worse.

Out and about in my daily life, I have yet to witness a political argument or fight break out between strangers. I'm sure it happens sometimes but if the discourse was as bad as it appears then I'd expect to see that type of thing somewhat frequently.

Do you frequent the southeast of the United States? As someone who has to tour into schools and direct children's theatre for a living, it is a bit tense sometimes... In SCHOOLS. It's crazy. I have to sign a waver that says I won't mention anything political at all. Schools shouldn't have to make people sign a waver.

OK, nobody complained about Reagan being added. He only got 50.7% of the popular vote in 1980 so there was clear "division." Or Clinton who only got 43% in 1992.

Like you said, new age, new technology, makes things worse these days.

 

[WondersOfLife]

just get rid of HOP and replace it with some kind of museum like exhibit on Presidential History in the same building.

Eh. I'm still more fond of the Muppets thing. We can have our American History museum over in Epcot.

 

[WondersOfLife]

It's a poor idea to move even more away from that kind of branding, especially when there is no particular upside to changing the attraction in general

The upside for Disney, as a company/business, would be to sell Muppets Merch and utilize the Muppets brand the way they need to. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

[WondersOfLife]

It's a sad commentary on how uncivil society has become when people think yelling at inanimate objects shows a sign of intelligence---- when in fact it does just the opposite.

There are more 'uneducated' people in this country than there are educated... By a looooong shot. And that is never going to change.

 

[doctornick]

The upside for Disney, as a company/business, would be to sell Muppets Merch and utilize the Muppets brand the way they need to. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

How is that any different/better than what they have currently? That literally burning millions of dollars for a lateral move.

 

[doctornick]

1. Gives the Muppets a home that isn’t taking up valuable real estate in MK
2. Get rid of a polarizing attraction that isn’t Disney IP
3. Less animatronics to attend to and devote budget to every 4 years.
4. Would probably be more popular on average than Hall of Presidents

None of these actually address a “problem” unless “spending more money to run an attraction than Disney wants” is somehow an issue. And why should any of us care or want Disney to make decisions based on being cheap?

HoP isn’t remotely polarizing.

 

[aladdin2007]

What if something became Muppet Mansion up the way? I joke yes but don't put it past them, this is the exact type of management now that would try and pull that no matter how much the public screams. They are on a rip out replace binge, not one thing is safe. Except for bear jamboree since it was was just done.

 

[WorldExplorer]

The upside for Disney, as a company/business, would be to sell Muppets Merch and utilize the Muppets brand the way they need to. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

If they're that interested in Muppet merchandise, they should probably reopen the giant store right next to MuppetVision that's been shuttered for four years. They clearly aren't THAT invested.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Disney's spotty track record with the Muppets would suggest there's no guarantee a new show would be well received, or attended more than HoP currently is in the long run.

It would be another example of Disney spending large sums of money to make something "more Disney" for little gain.