Rumor Hall of Presidents Replaced by Muppets American History Show???

[DisneyCane]

Which makes it a lot worse. So, its worse now.

You seem to imply those amplifiers have not affected the populace or the directional trends of political discourse?

I think the actual discourse is not much worse but the amplification of the extremes by social media and 24 hour news channels makes it seem like it is. Because the amplification makes it appear that the discourse is worse than it really is, a small percentage of people think it means they have license to do things like yell or throw things at robots.

Out and about in my daily life, I have yet to witness a political argument or fight break out between strangers. I'm sure it happens sometimes but if the discourse was as bad as it appears then I'd expect to see that type of thing somewhat frequently.

Nobody complained about these people who were President before most Magic Kingdom guests were alive?!?!? I’m so SHOCKED!!!

OK, nobody complained about Reagan being added. He only got 50.7% of the popular vote in 1980 so there was clear "division." Or Clinton who only got 43% in 1992.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

OK, nobody complained about Reagan being added. He only got 50.7% of the popular vote in 1980 so there was clear "division." Or Clinton who only got 43% in 1992.

Reagan and Clinton still won the popular vote. The only two presidents added since Magic Kingdom’s opening who lost the popular vote were W. Bush and Trump. I’ll argue both of them are controversial for reasons other than their unpopularity. And that’s the issue, the office has become much more controversial in this day and age.

 

[999th Happy Haunt]

Family Guy has no place in the parks, period. It’s a raunchy comedy.

 

[DisneyCane]

Reagan and Clinton still won the popular vote. The only two presidents added since Magic Kingdom’s opening who lost the popular vote were W. Bush and Trump. I’ll argue both of them are controversial for reasons other than their unpopularity. And that’s the issue, the office has become much more controversial in this day and age.

While Clinton got more of the popular vote than the other two candidates, only 43% voted for him. There were A LOT more people who didn't vote for him than did but there wasn't anxiety when he was added to the HOP.

 

[Lilofan]

If I can try to put it as neutrally as possible, politics is inherently divisive, and any attraction devoted to a political office (which the presidency obviously is) cannot but be impacted by that. Whether that’s the fault of guests or not is irrelevant to the reality of the situation.

Jan 6 2021 reached a boiling point of no return spurned on by lies that the ones in attendance believed as truth.

 

[DisneyCane]

Jan 6 2021 reached a boiling point of no return spurned on by lies that the ones in attendance believed as truth.

Except the HOP controversy predated that by almost 4 years.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

Except the HOP controversy predated that by almost 4 years.

At least…

 

[LittleBuford]

Jan 6 2021 reached a boiling point of no return spurned on by lies that the ones in attendance believed as truth.

My point was a general one, not a reference to any specific moment or individual.

 

[phillip9698]

I think the actual discourse is not much worse but the amplification of the extremes by social media and 24 hour news channels makes it seem like it is. Because the amplification makes it appear that the discourse is worse than it really is, a small percentage of people think it means they have license to do things like yell or throw things at robots.

Out and about in my daily life, I have yet to witness a political argument or fight break out between strangers. I'm sure it happens sometimes but if the discourse was as bad as it appears then I'd expect to see that type of thing somewhat frequently.



OK, nobody complained about Reagan being added. He only got 50.7% of the popular vote in 1980 so there was clear "division." Or Clinton who only got 43% in 1992.

Discourse doesn’t mean anything. What means something is Disney now has to increase the security inside that attraction due to the behavior of the guests.

I won’t go on it again. It’s not fun sitting in an attraction with your kids and when you leave you have to explain why security escorted someone out and people were whoopin and hollering like it’s a competition.

 

[DisneyCane]

Discourse doesn’t mean anything. What means something is Disney now has to increase the security inside that attraction due to the behavior of the guests.

I won’t go on it again. It’s not fun sitting in an attraction with your kids and when you leave you have to explain why security escorted someone out and people were whoopin and hollering like it’s a competition.

They could probably eliminate 99% of the issues by announcing prior to entrance that anybody who is disruptive will be removed from the park and have their tickets/passes revoked along with a 1 year ban from WDW. Don't think there will be too much whooping and hollering after a policy such as that was instituted!

 

[John park hopper]

They could probably eliminate 99% of the issues by announcing prior to entrance that anybody who is disruptive will be removed from the park and have their tickets/passes revoked along with a 1 year ban from WDW. Don't think there will bee too much whooping and hollering after a policy such as that was instituted!

It's a sad commentary on how uncivil society has become when people think yelling at inanimate objects shows a sign of intelligence---- when in fact it does just the opposite.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

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Deadpool has no place in the parks. It's a raunchy comedy.

 

[Lilofan]

It's a sad commentary on how uncivil society has become when people think yelling at inanimate objects shows a sign of intelligence---- when in fact it does just the opposite.

It does not show signs of intelligence. There are a number of people in many levels of society that are also disturbed. What is more disturbing is some peddle their lack of intelligence to a number gullible enough to line up and drink the Kool Aid. Thankfully we as a society see through the ruse.

 

[999th Happy Haunt]

Deadpool has no place in the parks. It's a raunchy comedy.

I don’t necessarily disagree, there just really are no boundaries anymore

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

What means something is Disney now has to increase the security inside that attraction due to the behavior of the guests.

Visible security was during the previous Presidents term, I haven’t seen them during my recent visits.

 

[DisneyCane]

Visible security was during the previous Presidents term, I haven’t seen them during my recent visits.

If that is true then there is a narrative defying statement buried in that fact.

 

[Lilofan]

Visible security was during the previous Presidents term, I haven’t seen them during my recent visits.

Visible security was there to keep the peace. Another time was immediately after 9/11/01 when more visible security cast were at the Morocco pavilion.

 

[doctornick]

This sounds very dramatic. It would probably just effect the same crowd associated with Splash. And maybe a few Disney fan loyals.

Sure. It would continuing more of the same of people who are upset with Disney and swearing off of them. Given the ongoing problems that Disney has with attendance and less gracious public perception, IMHO they can't afford to do things that upset chunks of potential guests. Even if the individual decisions are relatively mild in terms of the outcry, these things add up.

Disney being viewed as "As American as Apply Pie" has absolutely been a sentiment that the company has benefitted from a significant amount. It's a poor idea to move even more away from that kind of branding, especially when there is no particular upside to changing the attraction in general (as opposed to spending the same time and money doing other things)

 

[DisneyCane]

This sounds very dramatic. It would probably just effect the same crowd associated with Splash. And maybe a few Disney fan loyals.

I haven't ridden Tiana yet but my issue with Splash is that they re-did a ride that was one of the best rides in all of the parks and there was nothing remotely controversial IN the ride and at least 95% of people surveyed in line wouldn't be able to tell you what movie it was based on. Plus, the characters/story in the ride were from stories told by a character in the movie. I rode Splash for at least a decade after it opened and other than vaguely remembering "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" from a record (an actual vinyl record) my mom bought when I was a kid, I had no idea what it was based on nor did I ever get any sense of anything potentially controversial in the ride.

HOP was/is more of a showcase of audio animatronics. Back in Walt's day it was something pretty incredible to see. With advances in robotics, it doesn't blow you away to see an animatronic that doesn't really look all that much like the current president (whoever it is) move and lip synch to a short recording.

In my opinion they should either keep it as is and have severe penalties for disruptive guests or just get rid of HOP and replace it with some kind of museum like exhibit on Presidential History in the same building.

 

[John park hopper]

I haven't ridden Tiana yet but my issue with Splash is that they re-did a ride that was one of the best rides in all of the parks and there was nothing remotely controversial IN the ride and at least 95% of people surveyed in line wouldn't be able to tell you what movie it was based on. Plus, the characters/story in the ride were from stories told by a character in the movie. I rode Splash for at least a decade after it opened and other than vaguely remembering "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" from a record (an actual vinyl record) my mom bought when I was a kid, I had no idea what it was based on nor did I ever get any sense of anything potentially controversial in the ride.

HOP was/is more of a showcase of audio animatronics. Back in Walt's day it was something pretty incredible to see. With advances in robotics, it doesn't blow you away to see an animatronic that doesn't really look all that much like the current president (whoever it is) move and lip synch to a short recording.

In my opinion they should either keep it as is and have severe penalties for disruptive guests or just get rid of HOP and replace it with some kind of museum like exhibit on Presidential History in the same building.

Unfortunately the squeaky wheel got heard puff Splash was gone