Guardians Tower announcement Saturday in SD ...

SpaceMountain77

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Indeed, people in the fan community tend to view me as crazy when I state that DAK is by far my favourite park at WDW today because it is the ONLY one that has remained true to its mission statement and even adding Pandora doesn't really harm or change that because of the messages in Avatar.

I agree, wholeheartedly, @WDW1974 . From the new paint colors to offerings, the immersion is so rich that I am entirely content just wandering.

Should any of you ever want to find me, I am likely pressed to the glass of the Gorilla Falls Exploration Trail, observing the play and tool-use behavior of the younger gorillas.
 

Disneyhead'71

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Disney used to be about visiting different idealised times and places, some that existed, some of fantasy. It wasn't about stepping into a BRAND. And, fundamentally, you either get that point or you do not.

That's what traveling to a Disney Resort used to be about. Now it's all about wallowing in "Disney".

Let's face it, it's no longer the product we fell in love with from a company we respected. It's now another product entirely. One I am most certainly not a big fan of.
 

asianway

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That's what traveling to a Disney Resort used to be about. Now it's all about wallowing in "Disney".

Let's face it, it's no longer the product we fell in love with from a company we respected. It's now another product entirely. One I am most certainly not a big fan of.
Whenever I think it cant be worse, I realize that at some point in my lifetime, they will announce Ft Wilderness is going away...

So chin up!
 

Bacon

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Any insight you can provide on the new direction of Epcot? .
Meanwhile bob iger and tony baxter:
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ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
These are the same type of customers (not guests, IMO, just customers) whose appreciation and/or loyalty is centered around their own personal satisfaction and desires. They will jump ship the moment they feel the grass is greener somewhere else. Yet Disney caters to them endlessly.

My wife works for Chanel. She was telling me how the Nieman Marcus in Atlanta started focussing on the younger crowds that were coming in droves to buy high end items.. but only one or two things at a time such as Prada sneakers or Gucci polo shirts. NM felt it was wise to cater to them and offer promotions on the items they were buying (sneakers, hats, shirts) and now they have a store flooded with wannabe rappers, millenials who have saved up for two months to buy a pair of high end shoes (on sale) and people who are mostly just hanging out to be seen in Nieman Marcus. The Atlanta and Buckhead socialites who once frequented the store and would drop $5-10K in one visit no longer care to shop in such an atmosphere. These were the clients that made NM what it is and they were taken for granted and now they have taken their business elsewhere. While my wife doesnt work for NM, she handles clients accounts who once shopped there and has heard their stories first hand. I could only think of TWDC as she told me all of this.

And the result of this is NM's financials are down. What a surprise.
 

Matt_Black

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That's what traveling to a Disney Resort used to be about. Now it's all about wallowing in "Disney".

Let's face it, it's no longer the product we fell in love with from a company we respected. It's now another product entirely. One I am most certainly not a big fan of.

"Things are different than they used to be! Kids are interested in things that I'm not interested in! WAAH!"
 

lazyboy97o

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One thought's been bugging me: if it is true what we say and IP doesn't matter, then why does it matter what IP ToT has?

'Quality attractions succeed or fail based upon the experience, not the source material'. So if a quality attraction such as ToT succeeds based regardless of source material, then it will still succeed despite GotG.
Attractions existing in isolation, or even sharing aesthetics or brand, do not create a themed experience. That is really just an amusement park. How does Guardians of the Glaxaxy: Mission breakout relate to a larger experience? Even the future Marvel Land is heading towards a mishmash of properties focused on their respective films and not a singular place experience.

Experience is also not Disney's motivating factor and that is why today's use of intellectual property is in no way similar to past uses. The determination is based on box office and merchandise, not the great story that has to be told. This is even worse because the success of Marvel is built on the realization that letting passionate, creative people have freedom to create results in genuine experiences that resonate with the "general public."
 

Variable

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Attractions existing in isolation, or even sharing aesthetics or brand, do not create a themed experience. That is really just an amusement park. How does Guardians of the Glaxaxy: Mission breakout relate to a larger experience? Even the future Marvel Land is heading towards a mishmash of properties focused on their respective films and not a singular place experience.


Well, that's an interesting take. But DL is many lands focused on Disney's films and genres. You could say Frontierland is a poor mans Knotts Berry Farm (of the early very western themed era). Tomorrowland is but an amusement park within a theme park, etc.

Could be where Disney really has penetrated the canine here is that they simply did not close off that whole area and do the Marvel land thing in its entirety. Incrementalism, the out of placeless of GotG manifesting in the midst of Hollywood, is driving so much of this backlash. (along with the love of TZ, of course). So we're going to be stuck with this amusement park style for quite a while now, a year? two? three? maybe as long as most of us live.

This new reconstruction is laying a foundation for a house that might never be built. As a kid we had many empty holes in my neighborhood (basements dug, but no basements ever built). We called them "the hills" And while it was fun to play on them as kids (many wars fought and won), our parents didn't exactly like what a bunch of empty lots with big mounds of dirt did to their property values.

Many of us are now concerned with "our" property values - whether we are AP holders or go once a decade, even if we like the new idea...we are concerned that its a One and Done situation.
 

Disneyhead'71

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That's the thing in my line of work it can ALWAYS get worse and usually does which probably explains my dour outlook on life.
My line of work gives perspective. This morning at 4am I was looking at a 29 year old tourist, down at WDW from SC, laying dead in the middle of SR535 with his shoes blown off after being hit by a car.

It can always get worse.
 

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