Guardians Tower announcement Saturday in SD ...

[MagicHappens1971]

I expect it to open in 2020 so it's up to them to decide. Depends when marketing think it's best.

Thank you. And I know this isn't the right thread, but how about the Frozen Fantasyland expansion, announcement wise and opening?

 

[TeriofTerror]

Do you want to hear something bizarre? Part of me is thrilled by this news... because it proved @WDW1974 correct. I'm so tired of the people who for some reason think nay-saying him at every turn makes them appear... sophisticated? Worldly? Cynical?
Is it weird that I'm so defensive on behalf of someone I've never even met?

 

[Variable]

So put Guardians in a new, purpose built building.

A Flex Ride

 

[Mike S]

Dear Disney, here's your new 5 year plan for Epcot:

• Overhaul Universe of Energy with a Cosmos inspired attraction featuring host Neil Degrasse Tyson.
• Overhaul Imagination Pavilion with a high capacity LPS attraction featuring the original characterization of Figment and Dreamfinder.
• Add a new World Showcase pavilion, ideally one that doesn't necessitate an IP.
• Fix the Spaceship Earth Descent
• Add a peoplemover around Future World
• Redo Innoventions, I'd even entertain devoting all of Future World West to meet and greets

I think you mean Innoventions West, not Future World.

 

[Nemo14]

Do you want to hear something bizarre? Part of me is thrilled by this news... because it proved @WDW1974 correct. I'm so tired of the people who for some reason think nay-saying him at every turn makes them appear... sophisticated? Worldly? Cynical?
Is it weird that I'm so defensive on behalf of someone I've never even met?

No, it's not weird, but rather refreshing actually. Spirit catches a lot of flack, but 99% of the time, his info is accurate and we're very fortunate that he chooses to share it here.

 

[mergatroid]

So put Guardians in a new, purpose built building.

Another option there too!

 

[Thanks phoenicians]

I expect it to open in 2020 so it's up to them to decide. Depends when marketing think it's best.

So 2020 seems like the year of Marvel in Disney theme parks

 

[Bob Harlem]

So 2020 seems like the year of Marvel "Super Heroes" in Disney theme parks

It's important to note they cannot use the name Marvel anywhere in the parks on either coast.

East or West of The Mississippi – permitted uses shall be limited to the use of specific Marvel characters and Marvel may not permit a licensee to use the name “Marvel” as part of the attraction name or marketing.

 

[ChrisFL]

I'll give you Haunted Hotel, but I've always heard people calling HM the Haunted House.

Ever seen people at Islands of Adventure looking for Rickshaw falls?

 

[yeti]

Well you have some points and everyone is entitled to their opinions. There is stuff at Disney now that I loved as a kid that I know don't like so much and wouldn't mind them changing. That's human nature and is selfish, but it's the way we view things and I think that's what he's saying. I personally don't like the idea of TOT changing, however I can see kids who love GOTG thinking it's great so there's more than one side to the argument?

As for the 'interactive billboards', I can see what you're saying however the Magic Kingdom had Snow White, Peter Pan, Mr Toad, Swiss Family Robinson, 20,00 Leagues, 'Cinderella' castle and Mickey Mouse all based on movies years ago and I doubt people complained about that then?

No doubt kids will enjoy it. That has no effect on whether it's a good idea. I love kids, but when it comes to Disney....I don't think they're the most discerning audience! In fact older ones would probably-no, definitely enjoy a purpose-built attraction more. They'd get to keep both!

So why not both? Why not honor the memories of the older demographic while creating new ones at the same time? The little girl in that meme should visit the head offices, because Disney's inclination to replace instead of expand is one of their most frustrating attitudes of late. It's an area where their conservative spending becomes petty and unreasonable, in parks becoming busier and busier, where time and other resources wasted on FrozenStrom (for example) could have footed much of the bill for a better, higher capacity ride in the MK or Studios for 2017.

So why wouldn't kids have fond memories of The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror? Why can't Disney keep one foot in the past and leave old classics alone while makin' new memories elsewhere, on expansion pads or replaceable structures? This is part of why "think of the children!" is another nonsensical argument, on his behalf. There's also the simple matter that this has nothing to do with kids and all to do with Marvel making a clumsy emergency landing in the parks after seven years of stasis. What's more, the redesign looks quite literally like garbage. Almost missed that.

Disney has always been commercial, I get that. Again, what's original or added on to the park, I can't complain about. But this is the exclamation point on a phenomenon that's been brewing since the late nineties, only now it's not just Buzz Lightyear replacing Delta Dreamflight....

 

[gmajew]

Changing this ride is short sighted and stupid move by Disney if it is just to rush the new ip into the parks. This is a classic in my eyes and should not be touched yet when the park needs so much more.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Changing this ride is short sighted and stupid move by Disney if it is just to rush the new ip into the parks. This is a classic in my eyes and should not be touched yet when the park needs so much more.

Disney's Hollywood Studios' Tower of Terror is not being touched, unless I'm misinterpreting your post, it insinuates you're referring to DHS ToT, not DCA's, where it is being changed.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Do you want to hear something bizarre? Part of me is thrilled by this news... because it proved @WDW1974 correct. I'm so tired of the people who for some reason think nay-saying him at every turn makes them appear... sophisticated? Worldly? Cynical?
Is it weird that I'm so defensive on behalf of someone I've never even met?

I only track WDW rumors on my site and surprisingly WDW1974 hasn't broken any attraction news there in the last few years. However, he's contributed plenty of information to existing rumors and broke the entire Shanghai opening day lineup well before anyone else had it. Anyone that thinks he doesn't have good info is delusional.

 

[Ismael Flores]

Okay, since this comes up ALL the time, where would YOU have put Frozen? Fantasyland is out, because there was little good room left after the expansion, unless something else got removed. And nothing on the NFL side was going to be touched so soon.

You are right they don't have much room after the recent expansion. This brings up another question that I have not been able to find an answer or reason for why they landlocked themselves in fantasyland like that. Disney library of fantasy themed animated movies will continue to grow so they will basically never run out of properties to use so why not plan for the future. To me it seems like they could have pushed back the Beauty and the beast area and the mermaid area all the way back to where the train tracks run. Seems kind of awake are that they would landlock that northern area and leave a huge piece of land between those show buildings and the tracks in that northern area.

 

[Matt_Black]

I only track WDW rumors on my site and surprisingly WDW1974 hasn't broken any attraction news there in the last few years. However, he's contributed plenty of information to existing rumors and broke the entire Shanghai opening day lineup well before anyone else had it. Anyone that thinks he doesn't have good info is delusional.

Fooey! All this glad-handing and back slapping! I accurately predicted both Big Hero 6 and Guardians of the Galaxy* characters would meet in WDW despite many saying it wouldn't happen, and no one gives ME credit! Not that I go looking for credit because I'm so humble. In fact, I might be the most humble person ever.

*Admittedly, the latter for one night only, but STILL....

 

[PiratesoftheHM]

I wish some of the people that cite Maelstrom and Aladdin the Musical and even Toad would realize that this so different..

Aladdin is not the same kind of case as this at all. Aladdin was a stage show (a well done one, albeit). Stage shows do not run forever - in Disney Parks and the "real world". Tower of Terror being removed to push merchandise sales of new, "hot" IP is shameful and nearly unprecedented. I can't think of one park anchor E-Ticket that was given a drastic change IP overlay, especially when the current theme is beloved and often praised as one of Disney Parks' finest themed attractions.

When will people get that Maelstrom and Aladdin are not comparable to this? Maelstrom didn't have the fan following, Aladdin was a stage show. Yes, the Frozen stage show replacement was an IP push, but it doesn't mess with theme of the land or park.

This is such a big change that means a lot more than "no more TOT". It means destroying the overarching theme of the park for a single IP is okay. It means that overlays of beloved E-Tickets with "forgotten IPs" (although I would argue TOT does not rely on the IP) is okay. What is next? Are you going to be okay with "Briar City - A Splashtastic ZooTopia™ Adventure" coming to a Critter Country near you because Splash Mountain is a "forgotten IP"?

Also, yes I too believe that the DHS version is far superior. But to most of us that mainly go to DLR, the DCA version is our only version. They have never experienced the DHS version and to belittle their disappointment because you have experienced a superior version that they don't even know exists seems a little selfish to me.

 

[mickEblu]

I wish some of the people that cite Maelstrom and Aladdin the Musical and even Toad would realize that this so different..

Aladdin is not the same kind of case as this at all. Aladdin was a stage show (a well done one, albeit). Stage shows do not run forever - in Disney Parks and the "real world". Tower of Terror being removed to push merchandise sales of new, "hot" IP is shameful and nearly unprecedented. I can't think of one park anchor E-Ticket that was given a drastic change IP overlay, especially when the current theme is beloved and often praised as one of Disney Parks' finest themed attractions.

When will people get that Maelstrom and Aladdin are not comparable to this? Maelstrom didn't have the fan following, Aladdin was a stage show. Yes, the Frozen stage show replacement was an IP push, but it doesn't mess with theme of the land or park.

This is such a big change that means a lot more than "no more TOT". It means destroying the overarching theme of the park for a single IP is okay. It means that overlays of beloved E-Tickets with "forgotten IPs" (although I would argue TOT does not rely on the IP) is okay. What is next? Are you going to be okay with "Briar City - A Splashtastic ZooTopia™ Adventure" coming to a Critter Country near you because Splash Mountain is a "forgotten IP"?

Also, yes I too believe that the DHS version is far superior. But to most people that frequent DLR, the DCA version is their only version. They have never experienced the DHS version and to belittle their disappointment because you have experienced a superior version that they don't even know exists seems a little selfish to me.

100% agree. This is unprecedented and all the comments that this is ok because it's the inferior version is ridiculous. Like any of us here in So Cal care about that. I guess I can feel better about it because a better version exists in Florida that I may ride 1-2 times in my life.

 

[Ismael Flores]

But it won't be Hollywoodland anymore, right? It'll be Marvel Land or whatever it'll be called.


How so? The Guardians Kiln aesthetic is closer to steampunk than anything futuristic.

It will be interesting to see how they end up calling the new land if it does get a change name. Due to contracts of the 1990's the word Marvel can be not used in any advertisement for attractions. Also Universal has rights on most of the Marvel characters for theme park use within 300 miles of their Orlando resort and because of that Dianey can not use characters names or reference in any kind of publication for advertising purpose within those 300 miles. So when they do add these future attractions in Anaheim they will not able able to advertise on national television. They most likely have to do it on local stations and publications so that non of it reaches within 300 miles of USO.
The one area that the contract doesn't specify is online media and things like Facebook or Twitter.

I was surprised to learn this in the last few days after reading an article.

Looks like for this announcement Joe Rodhe was very careful not to use the word Marvel and instead called it a whole new Universe.

 

[Daveeeeed]

Dear Disney, here's your new 5 year plan for Epcot:

• Overhaul Universe of Energy with a Cosmos inspired attraction featuring host Neil Degrasse Tyson.
• Overhaul Imagination Pavilion with a high capacity LPS attraction featuring the original characterization of Figment and Dreamfinder.
• Add a new World Showcase pavilion, ideally one that doesn't necessitate an IP.
• Fix the Spaceship Earth Descent
• Add a peoplemover around Future World
• Redo Innoventions, I'd even entertain devoting all of Future World West to meet and greets

I like it, but don't forget #MakeFutureWorldFuturisticAgain

 

[Ismael Flores]

But it won't be Hollywoodland anymore, right? It'll be Marvel Land or whatever it'll be called.


How so? The Guardians Kiln aesthetic is closer to steampunk than anything futuristic.

I hope this is ok, here is an interesting breakdown about the restriction of naming and advertising


http://www.themeparktourist.com/new...n-t-realize-about-universal-s-marvel-contract