Guardians Tower announcement Saturday in SD ...

[Disneyhead'71]

@WDW1974

The problem is, my generation was brainwashed with three massive lies that make people feel warm and fuzzy and ignore underlying problems.

1) Everyone's opinion is equally valid, regardless of the knowledge involved.

2) Don't think for yourself; spit out the answer for the test and accept whatever the status quo tells you.

3) If someone disagrees with you, shun and humiliate that person because everyone should always get along!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The widespread acceptance and defense of Disney's low standards and minimal creativity are a microcosmic example of much larger issues.

1. Yeah, no.
2. Pragmatism is a thing.
3. Educate is better than humiliate.

 

[Matt_Black]

The thought occurred to me, would we be having the same discussion if instead of Guardians it was Big Hero 6?

Honestly, any modern IP would draw ire, I think.

 

[Daveeeeed]

Honestly, any modern IP would draw ire, I think.

It wouldn't get half of the hate if it wasn't taking up such an already great ride.

 

[Californian Elitist]

The thought occurred to me, would we be having the same discussion if instead of Guardians it was Big Hero 6? I think there's more hatred towards this redo simply because while Guardians was a good movie, it wasn't great. I'm upset but at the same time.... If this means we'll get better rides devoted to the other characters and this is the best they can think of for Guardians for now that helps jump start a new Marvel area.. I'm okay with it. I just wish they'd announced more than just the one redo. Give us an area.

I believe the general consensus is Guardians of the Galaxy is a great film.

I'd still be upset if Big Hero 6 was the choice of IP. It still has nothing to do with Hollywood Land.

Instead of building a Marvel area, what Disney should do is improve what's already there. I said this in another thread, it's really a shame what Disney has done and hasn't done to this area of the park. Hollywood is less than an hour away, and we are left with crap. The inspiration is right there, not to mention Disney played a major role in the evolution of Hollywood. There is great potential, but it's been a wasted opportunity for years.

 

[Daveeeeed]

The thought occurred to me, would we be having the same discussion if instead of Guardians it was Big Hero 6? I think there's more hatred towards this redo simply because while Guardians was a good movie, it wasn't great. I'm upset but at the same time.... If this means we'll get better rides devoted to the other characters and this is the best they can think of for Guardians for now that helps jump start a new Marvel area.. I'm okay with it. I just wish they'd announced more than just the one redo. Give us an area.

Big Hero 6 was just okay in my opinion, Guardians was definitely superior. That's just my opinion like yours, it has more to do with them getting rid of a great ride. I think though like you that it is mainly changing due to a Marvel area (IMO it probably will be announced at D23).

 

[Variable]

The thought occurred to me, would we be having the same discussion if instead of Guardians it was Big Hero 6? I think there's more hatred towards this redo simply because while Guardians was a good movie, it wasn't great. I'm upset but at the same time.... If this means we'll get better rides devoted to the other characters and this is the best they can think of for Guardians for now that helps jump start a new Marvel area.. I'm okay with it. I just wish they'd announced more than just the one redo. Give us an area.

Big Hero 6 has many possibilities, far beyond the ToT mechanics. GotG too, has similar potential.
(Big Hero 6 showcases fairly cutting edge nano tech which is in labs now, and in small scale experimental use, it would be a much better fit for Epcot because of its real world applications.)

For me, therein lies the rub: using existing ride is a shortcut. I have no great attachment to DCA's ToT, but that doesn't have me gleeful for a change. (I'll accept the change more easily, that's all). What I'm more disappointed about is that there isn't anything new being added, no innovation, and decidedly lack of effort involved.

Disney is effectively phoning this one in. Many are demanding more and that's good. But so long as they keep going to DCA - even if they skip this ride - Disney gets the money, and that's what Disney's wants: the money.

 

[Cletus]

"Things are different than they used to be! Kids are interested in things that I'm not interested in! WAAH!"

This is one reason people don't "pat you on the back". Just sayin'.

 

[erasure fan1]

This is even worse because the success of Marvel is built on the realization that letting passionate, creative people have freedom to create results in genuine experiences that resonate with the "general public."

This is exactly it, I could not agree with this anymore. That is why this whole thing is so dang frustrating, it is so opposite of how Disney became Disney. There is no reason for it except greed and laziness. Sad times.

 

[Variable]

This is one reason people don't "pat you on the back". Just sayin'.

He's right though. Some parents really bemoan that their kids don't like what they like. Some parents don't. Some adults want changes to "kid rides" because those adults are bored with them now (loved them as a kid though) - they ignore that adults never were the target for those rides and fall back on the whole 'Walt said Disney is for kids of all ages" thing.

 

[Matt_Black]

He's right though. Some parents really bemoan that their kids don't like what they like. Some parents don't. Some adults want changes to "kid rides" because those adults are bored with them now (loved them as a kid though) - they ignore that adults never were the target for those rides and fall back on the whole 'Walt said Disney is for kids of all ages" thing.

Some of the same people who are complaining about Pokemon Go no doubt had big binders of Garbage Pail Kids cards in the 80s.

 

[CanadianGordon]

Big Hero 6 has many possibilities, far beyond the ToT mechanics. GotG too, has similar potential.
(Big Hero 6 showcases fairly cutting edge nano tech which is in labs now, and in small scale experimental use, it would be a much better fit for Epcot because of its real world applications.)

For me, therein lies the rub: using existing ride is a shortcut. I have no great attachment to DCA's ToT, but that doesn't have me gleeful for a change. (I'll accept the change more easily, that's all). What I'm more disappointed about is that there isn't anything new being added, no innovation, and decidedly lack of effort involved.

Disney is effectively phoning this one in. Many are demanding more and that's good. But so long as they keep going to DCA - even if they skip this ride - Disney gets the money, and that's what Disney's wants: the money.

Oh I agree. I liked Guardians myself, just shocked that Disney would have announced a more mature ride redo rather than one like for Big Hero 6. They seem to be all about the kids.

 

[tirian]

GOTG is my favorite Marvel movie since Sam Raimi's Spiderman 2.

I still don't think Disney should replace a classic attraction with the IP flavor of the month.

I believe the general consensus is Guardians of the Galaxy is a great film.

I'd still be upset if Big Hero 6 was the choice of IP. It still has nothing to do with Hollywood Land.

Instead of building a Marvel area, what Disney should do is improve what's already there. I said this in another thread, it's really a shame what Disney has done and hasn't done to this area of the park. Hollywood is less than an hour away, and we are left with crap. The inspiration is right there, not to mention Disney played a major role in the evolution of Hollywood. There is great potential, but it's been a wasted opportunity for years.

 

[ford91exploder]

My line of work gives perspective. This morning at 4am I was looking at a 29 year old tourist, down at WDW from SC, laying dead in the middle of SR535 with his shoes blown off after being hit by a car.

It can always get worse.

Sad very sad indeed and it does give one perspective the life of a newsie is not for the faint of heart.

 

[ford91exploder]

It's not a shirt, it's a UNIFORM!!!

*runs off to cry in corner*

You just don't want to wear the RED uniform (ToS) that gets you killed in the first 5 minutes of the episode...

 

[ford91exploder]

The thought occurred to me, would we be having the same discussion if instead of Guardians it was Big Hero 6? I think there's more hatred towards this redo simply because while Guardians was a good movie, it wasn't great. I'm upset but at the same time.... If this means we'll get better rides devoted to the other characters and this is the best they can think of for Guardians for now that helps jump start a new Marvel area.. I'm okay with it. I just wish they'd announced more than just the one redo. Give us an area.

If this was a NEW attraction we'd all be cheering but instead because of TWDC's dysfunctional spending we get 'overlays' and rethermes, You could make this Mary Poppins and the same level of outrage would be there.

 

[FigmentJedi]

I'd still be upset if Big Hero 6 was the choice of IP. It still has nothing to do with Hollywood Land.

Instead of building a Marvel area, what Disney should do is improve what's already there. I said this in another thread, it's really a shame what Disney has done and hasn't done to this area of the park. Hollywood is less than an hour away, and we are left with crap. The inspiration is right there, not to mention Disney played a major role in the evolution of Hollywood. There is great potential, but it's been a wasted opportunity for years.

But it does actually relate to California. Put San Fransokyo behind the tower and replacing A Bugs Land and connect it with Pacific Wharf and there you go.

 

[raymusiccity]

Any insight you can provide on the new direction of Epcot? The idea of a Disney park with less IPs is simply unrealistic now. Epcot, DCA and TDS have all seen expansions highlighted by IPs. Epcot's World's Fair approach is long since dead unfortunately and the park has less direction than DHS did 5 years ago.

Well, it's hard to keep an approach alive, when the entire concept has died. Back in the day, there were yearly 'World Fairs' held around the globe. You can still see some of the remains in Flushing Meadows, San Antonio, Seattle, Spokane, New Orleans, et al. It's just doesn't lend itself to what customers are looking for. It looks like pure entertainment, by way of IPs are a proven fix.

 

[Variable]

They seem to be all about the kids.

Always have been. But since Uni started gaining momentum, D's had to work harder for the over 10 set.
They're traditionally short on boy-centric characters, so much emphasis on princesses for the girls. And princesses are cross-generation. What boy's tend to get is outlaw pirates, some frilly dressed colonial sort of figures, maybe a prince or knight, and not much else. Boys don't go around fantasizing about being princes, or knights much anymore.

Super Hero primarily = boys. (no, i'm not excluding girls by any means.)

 

[Californian Elitist]

But it does actually relate to California. Put San Fransokyo behind the tower and replacing A Bugs Land and connect it with Pacific Wharf and there you go.

What does it have to do with Hollywood?

 

[FigmentJedi]

What does it have to do with Hollywood?

BH6 doesn't really have to do with Hollywood, but the Tower's kinda tucked in an isolated corner away from the rest of Hollywoodland anyways and BH6 probably wouldn't involve turning the tower into a disgusting industrial/steampunk looking monstrosity.