Guardians Tower announcement Saturday in SD ...

alphac2005

alphac2005

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wdisney9000 said:
These are the same type of customers (not guests, IMO, just customers) whose appreciation and/or loyalty is centered around their own personal satisfaction and desires. They will jump ship the moment they feel the grass is greener somewhere else. Yet Disney caters to them endlessly.

My wife works for Chanel. She was telling me how the Nieman Marcus in Atlanta started focussing on the younger crowds that were coming in droves to buy high end items.. but only one or two things at a time such as Prada sneakers or Gucci polo shirts. NM felt it was wise to cater to them and offer promotions on the items they were buying (sneakers, hats, shirts) and now they have a store flooded with wannabe rappers, millenials who have saved up for two months to buy a pair of high end shoes (on sale) and people who are mostly just hanging out to be seen in Nieman Marcus. The Atlanta and Buckhead socialites who once frequented the store and would drop $5-10K in one visit no longer care to shop in such an atmosphere. These were the clients that made NM what it is and they were taken for granted and now they have taken their business elsewhere. While my wife doesnt work for NM, she handles clients accounts who once shopped there and has heard their stories first hand. I could only think of TWDC as she told me all of this.
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A few weeks back, my wife and I were at Lenox and your wife sure is on the money. I said to my wife how the clientele looks so different (young, obsessed with brands and materialism regardless of their income) in Saks and NM as the majority of the people looked like they had rolled out of bed or pour every cent that they make into their clothing while they go back to an apartment in a lousy neighborhood. I was saying how people just seem to have no dignity any more, yet they were somehow shopping at those stores. There were very few of the "Buckhead Betty" types shopping there. Look, I'd never spend money on the majority of crazy priced items in those respected stores, but seeing how different the market that they were catering to was really interesting.
 
Disneyhead'71

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Matt_Black said:
Yeah, what's that joke? If you wear a sports jersey every day and go to every game, you're a FAN. If you were a Star Trek shirt every day and go to every movie, you're a NERD.
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But a real "fan" has been wearing the Star Trek jersey since 1982 and refuses to see any movie produced since Search For Spock because no one else "gets" Star Trek like you do.

(And I do get the irony of my post given my recent posts in this thread. I'm that guy.)
 
TalkingHead

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Disneyhead'71 said:
My line of work gives perspective. This morning at 4am I was looking at a 29 year old tourist, down at WDW from SC, laying dead in the middle of SR535 with his shoes blown off after being hit by a car.

It can always get worse.
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Sure it can, they could decide to retheme Splash Mountain to Zootopia. Imagine how deep the depression would run.
 
tirian

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@WDW1974

The problem is, my generation was brainwashed with three massive lies that make people feel warm and fuzzy, and ignore underlying problems.

1) Everyone's opinion is equally valid, regardless of the knowledge involved.

2) Don't think for yourself; spit out the answer for the test and accept whatever the status quo tells you.

3) If someone disagrees with you, shun and humiliate that person because everyone should always get along!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The widespread acceptance and defense of Disney's low standards and minimal creativity are a microcosmic example of much larger issues.


WDW1974 said:
I've sorta said all I feel is needed on this topic and I am on holiday and really this is no longer news as I told y'all it was coming quite a while ago (just ask the good folks who monitor me for TWDC), but a couple of things really bother me.

This idea that the relative merits of WDW's ToT somehow in any way, shape or form make this OK in Anaheim. They do not. Again, Disney has spent $2 billion on revamping DCA since 2008 to make it more cohesive and quality and one area where it was just fine thematically was having that attraction in that corner.

If you think that what happens at one resort is OK, because there are multiples and you are lucky enough to be able to go to them, then -- as I've said repeatedly for months -- it's time to rip out the MK's lousy version of Pirates because there are four better versions around the globe and you could do so much in that building with that ride system.

Really look forward to the excuses and explanations for the GotG attraction coming to The Corpse of EPCOT. How many pages of mostly drivel did the excusing of Frozenstrom bring here? This will easily be double or triple ...fanbois are more into talking raccoons with guns than singing snowmen and an ice princess who might or might not be a lesbian, but why do we care anyway?

There seems to be this disconnect with fans of today, mostly either Millennials or people who only started visiting WDW post 2000, that just tossing random IPs/franchises anywhere is fine because Bob Iger and Chappie say so. That again is not the case. What you are really saying is you don't care about what Disney parks were all about, you care about today's hot IP and when in FL you'd really like it if every park was the MK etc.

Indeed, people in the fan community tend to view me as crazy when I state that DAK is by far my favourite park at WDW today because it is the ONLY one that has remained true to its mission statement and even adding Pandora doesn't really harm or change that because of the messages in Avatar.

If you don't get why the Star Wars Experience doesn't belong taking up a huge piece of DL real estate or why adding a Guardians overlay to the ToT just are not right, then you don't get the basics of setting a time and place and truly transporting you. This is the same crap as liking Princess rooms at Dixie Landings or Pirate (and the removed Nemo) rooms at CBR or having carpeting (again, thankfully removed) at the Beach Club with Ariel's friends all over it.

Disney used to be about visiting different idealised times and places, some that existed, some of fantasy. It wasn't about stepping into a BRAND. And, fundamentally, you either get that point or you do not.
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CanadianGordon

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The thought occurred to me, would we be having the same discussion if instead of Guardians it was Big Hero 6? I think there's more hatred towards this redo simply because while Guardians was a good movie, it wasn't great. I'm upset but at the same time.... If this means we'll get better rides devoted to the other characters and this is the best they can think of for Guardians for now that helps jump start a new Marvel area.. I'm okay with it. I just wish they'd announced more than just the one redo. Give us an area.
 

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