Guardians Tower announcement Saturday in SD ...

[Californian Elitist]

Seriously, the earring was more disturbing to me than the official announcement today. It would be creepy and gross on a 25 year old. On a 60 year old man it's gag inducing.

I really couldn't stop looking at his sagging ear. It distracted me and I could barely pay attention as to what he was saying about the attraction.

 

[VJ]

I guess that site was wrong then....

I love this so much.

 

[Stripes]

I love this so much.

IKR! Instant smile from ear to ear!

 

[marni1971]

Well well, I wake up and the Internet has exploded. There's a surprise.

Isn't this just marvellous?

DHS got off lightly.

 

[Captain Neo]

Most interesting part of the announcement was Joe Rhode confirming that this is the first phase of a much larger Marvel Land project for DCA. Thus confirming the big rumor that Micechat has been championing for something like 3 years now. Also adds more fuel to the fire that the Epcot Marvel stuff is coming. I still predict it will be announced at D23 next year along with more details of DCA's Marvel Land.

 

[marni1971]

Most interesting part of the announcement was Joe Rhode confirming that this is the first phase of a much larger Marvel Land project for DCA. Thus confirming the big rumor that Micechat has been championing for something like 3 years now. Also adds more fuel to the fire that the Epcot Marvel stuff is coming. I still predict it will be announced at D23 next year along with more details of DCA's Marvel Land.

Expect DCA to encompass more of the existing park with the Marvel theme.

 

[TP2000]

What are sight lines like for this? Can't ToT be seen from pretty much every land? Who wants to see an ugly industrial monstrosity from Buena vista street, or walking in from grizzly peak? Yuck what a mess. Destroys the Trolley stop too.

Tower of Terror is impossible to see from Buena Vista Street or the Carthay Circle area. It only becomes visible once you leave that land and walk at least 50 yards into Grizzly Peak and look to the northwest.

But the sightlines on Tower of Terror from around the rest of DCA aren't very impactful. It's off in the middle distance, but never really commands the view because it is pivoted at a weird angle to the northwest which is an angle that few vistas or streets align with. It does peek above several lands, but it never dominates them. And honestly a Pueblo-Deco hotel tower with half its side blown off doesn't really theme with any other existing DCA story or land besides its own.

Here's Tower of Terror from the Paradise Pier bridge, smack dab in the middle of the park, looking across to the Pacific Wharf food court, as an average point of reference for mass and scale and impact on DCA.

The most prominent horizon view is from Grizzly Peak Airfield, as its the only pathway or open area in the park that aligns with the northwest facing facade of Tower of Terror. But when they added Carthay Circle Theater tower in 2012 (seen below in front of Tower), it blunted the impact of Tower of Terror on this area of the park.

Does anyone have good pics of TOT from different views around the DLR? Would be interesting to make some photoshops to see how it will look

See above, but the one part of this that I think will be weird is the Red Car Trolley passing directly in front of the redone building. Not sure how that will mesh or work. And I think it's that juxtaposition that shows just how unfortunate this concept would be for DHS!

 

[Captain Neo]

Expect DCA to encompass more of the existing adjacent park with the Marvel theme.

Somebody brought up an interesting point that during the DCA overhaul some of the budget went into retheming that area into Hollywoodland to unify the area with the Hollywood Tower Hotel and Red Car Trolley Line and thus connect it back to the California theme of the park. However now by turning that part of the park into a Marvel area they are actually undoing what they spent a decent amount of money retheming just a few years ago! What a waste.

 

[marni1971]

Somebody brought up an interesting point that during the DCA overhaul some of the budget went into retheming that area into Hollywoodland to unify the area with the Hollywood Tower Hotel and Red Car Trolley Line and thus connect it back to the California theme of the park. However now by turning that part of the park into a Marvel area they are actually undoing what they spent a decent amount of money retheming just a few years ago! What a waste.

That did cross my mind. I believe Hollywoodland is safe from these proposals for now, though there are proposals to.... work on that area later down the line.

 

[PiratesoftheHM]

That did cross my mind. I believe Hollywoodland is safe from these proposals for now, though there are proposals to.... work on that area later down the line.

Does Disney even remotely care, or do they expect, the large amounts of negative feedback they are getting on social media?

 

[Sped2424]

I really couldn't stop looking at his sagging ear. It distracted me and I could barely pay attention as to what he was saying about the attraction.

I've said it before but every time imagineering is forced to ruin something Joe's earring sinks a little bit closer to the ground.

 

[Ismael Flores]

Well everyone...What can we say? At Disney California Adventure for 12 years we have had a true classic know as the Twilight Zone Tower Of Terror. We have the memories of the fun music, the theming, and so much more. All good things must come to an end, and we need to be thankful that in our lifespan that we got to experience something quite fun like the Tower of Terror.
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You still can, the original one in WDW

 

[Ismael Flores]

Maybe your right, but if they're closing it in January and are opening the overlay 6 months later, I can't imagine it having much of a budget.

The Disney I've been watching for the last 15 years or so, hasn't done many quality rides/overlays/attractions in this short of a time period.

They can easily prebuilt all props and pieces, wouldn't take long to secure them to the building. The whole building was done in a little over two years when it was first built from the ground up

 

[Ismael Flores]

How about behind the tower? I am currently doing this from my phone so no I don't feel like posting a photo but you are more them welcome to use Google Maps to see what I'm talking about. You keep going after the word overlay and that may be wrong word but it doesn't change the fact that at the end of the day a new ride COULD have been made and the Tower could have stayed or even be enhanced with new drop profiles and effects. This is a money making grab to sell more merch and put the IPS of now into Disney parks. It's shameful

There is only 4 acres available behind tower and that is if they move the backstage buildings. I am sure that by including the tower as part of a Marvel addition the area will fit better instead of just having one stand alone ride in that small piece of property.

Most likely they will eliminate a corner of flicks fun fair and move some things around right behind the tower and create a land with the tower as an anchor point.

 

[Mike S]

@egg, @Stitchon and @SpaceMountain77, I appreciate your thoughtful and well-spoken responses and all of your points do make sense.

I guess I'm just tired as a whole of the knee-jerk complaining that some exhibit, like no matter what Disney does it's not good enough. We should be taking more of a wait-and-see approach.

While I don't exactly like that Disney is shoe-horning GOTG into an already-existing attraction, it might turn out at least okay; and, to be honest, I like what I'm seeing of the concept art and the story. Of course, as more comes out about the ride my opinion may change.

Disney has executed things sloppily in the past, I'll say that, but I hope that, now more than ever, things are being turned around slowly but surely. I didn't think I would like Frozen Ever After but I did, and I didn't know if I would like Soarin' Around the World but I did. What's been missing from Disney lately is the element of surprise, using new and innovative enhancements to make Guests go "wow". I think that, based on what I've seen lately (especially with Ignite the Dream in Shanghai), Disney is finally getting back to that.

I'm still being cautiously optimistic; but with every new addition that actually works well, Disney is gaining back my trust. I'm just asking all of you to wait and see. It might be horrible. It might be great. We just don't know right now. And concept art can't fully get across the experience of something like this, so.. Try to keep an open mind. Please.

And hey, if it turns out to be horrible then you can all come back and quote this post and say "VJ was wrong! Hahaha!". I'll gladly accept being wrong. I just hope Disney proves me right.

And no, I'm not a pixie duster. Nor am I a lifestyler. I'm somewhere in the middle and that's where I like to be. Sorta the middle ground, voice of reason as it were. I know I don't do many of these opinion posts (because I usually have a hard time getting my opinion across cohesively) but you all have been warm and welcoming the last few times I've done these so I hope this one goes over just as well.

VJ

I guess I'll see how it is next summer. I'd be so much angrier if this was happening at WDW. As it stands for DCA it's just an annoyance that Disney just keeps trotting down this path of retheming older rides rather than building new.

That and the fact it's still Tower of Terror, even if it is the lesser version.

I haven't seen Joe look this frustrated/uneasy since that Avatar model photo

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Expect DCA to encompass more of the existing adjacent park with the Marvel theme.

Are you saying it's going to Disneyland too by "adjacent park?"

Tower of Terror is impossible to see from Buena Vista Street or the Carthay Circle area. It only becomes visible once you leave that land and walk at least 50 yards into Grizzly Peak and look to the northwest.

But the sightlines on Tower of Terror from around the rest of DCA aren't very impactful. It's off in the middle distance, but never really commands the view because it is pivoted at a weird angle to the northwest which is an angle that few vistas or streets align with. It does peek above several lands, but it never dominates them. And honestly a Pueblo-Deco hotel tower with half its side blown off doesn't really theme with any other existing DCA story or land besides its own.

Here's Tower of Terror from the Paradise Pier bridge, smack dab in the middle of the park, looking across to the Pacific Wharf food court, as an average point of reference for mass and scale and impact on DCA.

The most prominent horizon view is from Grizzly Peak Airfield, as its the only pathway or open area in the park that aligns with the northwest facing facade of Tower of Terror. But when they added Carthay Circle Theater tower in 2012 (seen below in front of Tower), it blunted the impact of Tower of Terror on this area of the park.

See above, but the one part of this that I think will be weird is the Red Car Trolley passing directly in front of the redone building. Not sure how that will mesh or work. And I think it's that juxtaposition that shows just how unfortunate this concept would be for DHS!

Sunset Blvd. trumps anything about ToT in DCA. It's near perfect in its place making and suspense building.

That did cross my mind. I believe Hollywoodland is safe from these proposals for now, though there are proposals to.... work on that area later down the line.

So the MiceChat thing about Monsters Inc. and such closing for Marvel isn't true?

 

[TeriofTerror]

Yeah. I swear his ear will rip off eventually. P.S he is the worst Imagineer of them all I must say.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. Adventurers' Club, Animal Kingdom, and Aulani were all his and all beautifully done.

 

[Mike S]

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. Adventurers' Club, Animal Kingdom, and Aulani were all his and all beautifully done.

Animal Kingdom Lodge too!!!

I'm not gonna lie, I'd love to see him tackle Asgard. This ToT thing seems like a waste for him to head up.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

For those wondering, this is the current scene out in Glendale.

 

[danv3]

Does Disney even remotely care, or do they expect, the large amounts of negative feedback they are getting on social media?

Expected, and they don't care.

 

[Ismael Flores]

I have a feeling that the next part of the park to be changed is not Hollywood but Flicks fun fair or at least a chunk of it.

By removing flicks fun fair and adding the remaining timon land then that corner of the park would turn into a marvel themed land.

As for the trolley, I don't think it will look to bad passing in front of this new tower. The design seems to have an Art Deco look and could easily be described as an independent of abondaned hotel building that has now been turned into someone's residence. In this case a crazy art collector that has modified it as a museum.

It's actually not to far fetched. Just look at Los Angeles. Many of the old theaters, hotels and wherehouse a have been restored and have kept their Art Deco or mission architecture. Some elements have been added to bring them up to this decade and have been turned into museums, stores, and lofts.

I think people are just looking at this as a building in space but the marvel universe is huge and much of it exists here in this planet

As a matter of fact the collector traveled to earth and it was here where he became determine to capture iron man, captain America the wasp and other avengers. This could very well be the story that WDI is going for since they involved Marvel in the project. Together Marvel and WDI came up with a plan that could fit somewhat to the comics