Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Breakout announced for Disney California Adventure

[jocarol]

Thank god it's a limited demographic, just imagine how long the lines would be if it had popular appeal!

 

[lazyboy97o]

 

[Phroobar]

Yes, but those unfamiliar with Twilight Zone often didn't even know it was an IP. Nobody didn't ride because they disliked The Twilight Zone or because they didn't watch the show. With MBO, people who dislike the franchise or who are wary of it have avoided it. It is a more limited demographic. Not terribly limited, but certainly the fresh IP does harbor more bias than The Twilight Zone.

I totally agree there is a bigger bias but I think we are talking half to maybe two percent of park guests who would avoid it because of the theme. For the vast majority, IP won't matter. Like you said, it will be business as usual next year which is a good thing. It's ultimately a pretty lateral move. We just have to deal with a ugly macaroni facade which I'm sure most people won't even notice.

 

[Professortango1]

Thank god it's a limited demographic, just imagine how long the lines would be if it had popular appeal!

Rides max out once they are no longer new. I remember waiting 4+ hours to ride Indy when it opened. Now, rarely does it creep above 60 minutes and I've never seen it go over 2 hours. Same with Space Mountain, no matter what overlay they have. Tower's crowds seem to max around 75 minutes. Of course, with promos these spike. I wasn't a fan of Late Night Checkout, but it pulled 3-4 hour waits some nights. Once the blush is off the rose, Guardians will drop to the 75 min and below mark. Disney knows this, that's why they built a ride which was adequate yet cheap. No sense spending more for a better experience if it won't draw more crowds.

 

[flynnibus]

Face characters who act as though they are only in their world are described as staying "in character." The break is acknowledged.

Character is their character... they don't act like they are in a bubble that only exists for a radius around them. They acknowledge a tourist is visiting, they acknowledge the day around this visit, etc. No they don't talk about what they will do after they get off stage, but they also don't act like there is a veil that obscures everything outside arm's reach.

People here are fighting to be WAY too literal and picking on elements as significant, but really don't derail the bigger picture.. and then trying to argue hard standing rules as why these things are problematic, but those 'rules' don't really hold up to scrutiny.

I can see arguments about keeping the exterior door view at the top of the tower and what that means to the attraction... but the rest is just digging deep. Some things that are out of theme are accepted or done purely out of practicality or for fun reasons. Bobsleds don't go through lakes/ponds... but it's a fun end to the ride.

 

[zooey]

Glad you liked it. The plot holes took us out of the story repeatedly. Different strokes for different folks. Some love Adam Sandler flicks, others find them contrived and moronic. If you are okay with MBO, then I guess you found a good fit.

Are you against anything Marvel in general or just Guardians?
Also, could there have ever been a Guardians attraction that you would have warranted as a good attraction or are all Guardians attractions unable to attain good attraction status by the nature of their being a Guardians attraction?
Also, could any franchise/IP have taken over the ToT and won you over as a worthy upgrade or successor, or was the ToT totally irreplaceable (keeping in mind the FL version will remain intact)?

 

[Professortango1]

Are you against anything Marvel in general or just Guardians?
Also, could there have ever been a Guardians attraction that you would have warranted as a good attraction or are all Guardians attractions unable to attain good attraction status by the nature of their being a Guardians attraction?
Also, could any franchise/IP have taken over the ToT and won you over as a worthy upgrade or successor, or was the ToT totally irreplaceable (keeping in mind the FL version will remain intact)?

I'm not against Marvel or Guardians. I would have loved to see a brand new Marvel/Guardians attraction designed and built. I would have even appreciated it if the effort they put into the queue went into the writing/ride itself. If they had used to screens to have characters interact with practical effects and had a better story structure, I would have been won over. I don't think the current ride is terrible, just passable. Not amazing, not bad.

As for TOT, the ride is designed to be a horror-based attraction with us looking on to small still sets. For something to work in TOT, it needs to be able to work as a voyeuristic story with small still sets and only 2 show scenes. That's a difficult set of restraints. If The Twilight Zone IP was the issue, which I don't think it is, they could have easily stripped away the TWZ part of it and given it a makeover as an IP-free Tower of Terror. Throw in new drop profiles, a new effect or two, and people would line up just like they did with Guardians.

I actually support Guardians taking over the Florida Tower as I think the 5th Dimension Room and the room at the base of the drop tower allow space for AA's and practical effects that we don't have in our Tower. Plus, a Guardians ride fits their new park that DHS is turning into.

So, I'm not against Marvel, Guardians, changing TOT, or even losing TOT to Guardians. I'm against bad show writing and half-hearted layovers.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Somehow I slogged through the past 6 pages of this thread...but that's it.

Peace out guys.

 

[sedati]

Glad you liked it. The plot holes took us out of the story repeatedly. Different strokes for different folks. Some love Adam Sandler flicks, others find them contrived and moronic. If you are okay with MBO, then I guess you found a good fit.

Hopefully this will be the most condescending thing I read today.

So, it's as dumb as an Adam Sandler film and yet you and yours struggled to keep up?

 

[Professortango1]

Hopefully this will be the most condescending thing I read today.

So, it's as dumb as an Adam Sandler film and yet you and yours struggled to keep up?

Just saying people have different tastes. Would you prefer if I said some like Fast and the Furious movies?

And I had no problem keeping up, I just had issues with the plot holes and sloppy writing of the attraction. I was able to keep up Suicide Squad; that doesn't mean it was well written.

 

[Curious Constance]

Character is their character... they don't act like they are in a bubble that only exists for a radius around them. They acknowledge a tourist is visiting, they acknowledge the day around this visit, etc. No they don't talk about what they will do after they get off stage, but they also don't act like there is a veil that obscures everything outside arm's reach.

People here are fighting to be WAY too literal and picking on elements as significant, but really don't derail the bigger picture.. and then trying to argue hard standing rules as why these things are problematic, but those 'rules' don't really hold up to scrutiny.

I can see arguments about keeping the exterior door view at the top of the tower and what that means to the attraction... but the rest is just digging deep. Some things that are out of theme are accepted or done purely out of practicality or for fun reasons. Bobsleds don't go through lakes/ponds... but it's a fun end to the ride.

I think people get so bogged down in theme and not having anything out of line, they are more than happy to throw fun out the window to keep their straight and narrow line.

 

[flynnibus]

I think people get so bogged down in theme and not having anything out of line, they are more than happy to throw fun out the window to keep their straight and narrow line.

They just gotta not loose sight of the PURPOSE of things The use of story and theme are to an end-game.. not just to be a thing upon themselves. Sometimes forgetting that gets people so micro focused they forget to deliver the end game.

 

[Professortango1]

They just gotta not loose sight of the PURPOSE of things The use of story and theme are to an end-game.. not just to be a thing upon themselves. Sometimes forgetting that gets people so micro focused they forget to deliver the end game.

Some rides serve stories (IJA, Haunted Mansion, Pirates), other stories serve rides (Space Mountain, Thunder Mountain, Matterhorn).

 

[dweezil78]

Hopefully this will be the most condescending thing I read today.

So, it's as dumb as an Adam Sandler film and yet you and yours struggled to keep up?

I'll just leave this here...

 

[Professortango1]

I'll just leave this here...

Haha! Yes, love Mr. Show!

 

[yookeroo]

Considering our place in history and the fact the human race's time is infinitely minuscule in the reach of time and space, everything isn't that important. But just because something doesn't hold greater significance in the grand scheme doesn't mean it doesn't hold importance to the individual.

Sure. But I'd suggest such individuals may lack a sense of perspective.

So, would you like to have that conversation, or do you prefer to simply write off the views of anyone who disagrees with you as lame?

I think I've made it clear I don't think it's a conversation worth having. That's kind of my point. We don't exactly have a lot of evidence of a problem. So far all I see is one person who clearly understood the idea of the ride, but had some moderate confusion about the context (context that was explained in the preshow). If you can demonstrate an actual problem here, then there might be a conversation worth having. Until then, this all sounds like people trying real,hard to justify their dislike of the attraction.

 

[October82]

I think I've made it clear I don't think it's a conversation worth having. That's kind of my point. We don't exactly have a lot of evidence of a problem. So far all I see is one person who clearly understood the idea of the ride, but had some moderate confusion about the context (context that was explained in the preshow). If you can demonstrate an actual problem here, then there might be a conversation worth having. Until then, this all sounds like people trying real,hard to justify their dislike of the attraction.

The reason that you have conversations like this isn't to defend a position that you arrived at in advance of the conversation, but to understand the topic that you disagree about. The reason for the conversation is to understand if there is a problem or not, by looking at arguments about, for instance, best practices in themed design. You won't find that conversation valuable or worthwhile if you assume that people who disagree with you are simply trying real hard to justify "their dislike of the attraction". The arguments that have been made are not based on a single person's perspective - one that you don't share. Rather, there are a large number of good posts over the last couple pages, from people including @sedati and @lazyboy97o on this and closely related topics. I disagree with the former person, but I don't think that he or she is simply arguing to justify their position.

 

[yookeroo]

You won't find that conversation valuable or worthwhile if you assume that people who disagree with you are simply trying real hard to justify "their dislike of the attraction".

Well....yeah.

 

[PorterRedkey]

Here are some morning news reporters riding GotG:MB live on the air. They obviously don't know what to expect. It had me laughing, so I thought I would share.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

LOL.